What answer are you looking for?  You are blaming the officials for calling something when there isn't a line clearly marked like there is supposed to be.  When you leave it up to interpretation there will be inconsistencies.  That is why I asked for a video but I understand you may not have that.  I will talk to the officials involved about both the elbows and the free throw lane violation(s)

You haven’t answered the question yet. In 3G rec, are we calling it a violation when the shooter lands on or over the FT line in the act of shooting? I don’t have video of it happening, is that going to be consistently called? I’m not planning to file a protest, even though we did end up losing by 1.

I can tell you with 100% confidence it happens on every single FT in our games. It hasn’t been called this season, except for 1x.

Please advise.

Video of the elbows or of him standing with his back to the ongoing game while he chastised the Mannford fans? I may have some of the elbows. Thankfully it stopped after the 1Q. Either way I’ve never heard of ‘retaliatory elbows’ not being a foul in 10 years of coaching. Those were the words he used when he came over to tell us ‘this isn’t my first rodeo’… My only request was that he watch the elbows in the paint. I’m not sure what video will prove. I didn’t video him telling us he wasn’t going to call a foul for retaliation.

Are they regularly calling it a violation when a 3G rec FT shooter lands on/over the FT line? We will need to coach our girls to move back to make sure they don’t cross the line during the shot. The gyms in Bixby don’t have a 12 foot FT line, so that clearly isn’t enforced there. At 8-9 years old, we’re really happy when they can make a 12-15 foot jumper, regardless of where they land. There were probably 6-7 other FTs shot in the game and it wasn’t called. All of them crossed over the line during the shot.

Feel free to also reach out to the Mannford coaches. It was pretty bad on both ends. The Mannford coach for the 9 AM game commented to me that he was a little surprised when the ref was almost in the Mannford stands while the game was being played.

The older male official at the Mannford Middle School today spent a considerable amount of time talking with fans from both sides of the stands, while the game was happening. At one point he was almost in the Mannford side of the stands and turned completely away from the game play that was ongoing. He either needs to stop play to address the fans, or wait until a dead ball. All this while the other official is trying to officiate the play and it’s her first time to ref.

I asked him in the 1Q to watch elbows being thrown in the paint, in front of him. He stopped play to come over and tell our 2 coaches that he wouldn’t call the elbows because they were ‘retaliatory’ due to the player being held by our defender. My thought is, then call the hold, which I told him. Elbows shouldn’t be thrown whether it’s retaliatory or not.

We lost by one point. A made free throw was taken off the score because the shooter landed over the FT line. This is 3rd grade rec. Every single FT shot in the game, the girls all landed on or in front of the line. It was only called 1x, on a make for us. Frustrating to have a point removed for something that is normally allowed in 3G rec. Please clarify if the player must land behind the FT line.

I talked to a Mannford coach after our game who said this same official does most of their home games and he’s very frustrating.

I know there is a shortage of refs. Someone from the INBC needs to go watch a game or two and make their own determination on whether or not this ref needs to be teaching a first time official how to do the job.

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