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Football => 5th Grade => Topic started by: chadewill on November 13, 2020, 10:19:35 am

Title: Championship rumors
Post by: chadewill on November 13, 2020, 10:19:35 am
The 6th grade forum is good reading for those interested in the drama associated with youth sports.  Sounds like 5th LC did not fill out some paperwork and now are having to sit a few kids for the game vs Yukon. 

Sounds like we should play BA Black for a shot at the title vs Yukon as we both got crushed by a team using players not registered.

BA Black you ready to play?

I know this will not happen, just stirring the pot but ...... Edmond is ready to play if BA Black is  ;D


Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: PRESSPass on November 13, 2020, 11:04:48 am
***crickets***
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Hopkins#3 on November 13, 2020, 12:31:04 pm
So who all is sitting?  Is LC missing all their new big boys? 
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: chadewill on November 13, 2020, 12:40:23 pm
So who all is sitting?  Is LC missing all their new big boys?

If the 6th grade LC team has to forfeit for breaking rules but 5th grade LC team still gets to play after breaking rules there is something worth having a conversation about

If #11 has to sit then I feel Edmond and BA Black have something to present to INFC for consideration as both should be in the conversation as replacements for Yukon to play
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Hopkins#3 on November 13, 2020, 01:00:49 pm
11 has been there since 3rd so I’m sure he’s good. The new scholarship kid's this season may be the problem.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 13, 2020, 01:00:57 pm
Lc 6th grade isnt out because of some paperwork. They are out because a few players didnt get the required # of plays.

Facts over rumors.

Regardless if a few boys have to sit out i wonder who and how many.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Coach12 on November 13, 2020, 01:22:42 pm
Lc 6th grade isnt out because of some paperwork. They are out because a few players didnt get the required # of plays.

Facts over rumors.

Regardless if a few boys have to sit out i wonder who and how many.

You are only stating ONE fact. The protest was put out bc of the # of plays. There are MANY more issues. League Officials have confirmed this. But keep on sweeping... That rug is gonna start showing it's dirt soon.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 13, 2020, 01:45:42 pm
Let me be clear. I do no disagree with leagues standings on these matters. Rules definitely need to be followed, however
Doesnt the infc have each players profile on file? Dont they review the age and grade of each player before the season starts? I dont know the actual facts of the reasoning, im just posting what i saw on the 6th grade forum. If i knew more i would share that info.......

If the sole reason was due to some faulty paperwork, but the kids age and grade line up with the infc rules and the team is DQ or players have to sit out due to some faulty paperwork but their age and grade lines up with Infc rules i think that the only losers are those kids. Regardless of school and whose fault it may be. I wouldn't want tht for any kid for any school that is horrivle.

Hopefully some more info from the league can be shared with everyone to clear the air and give everyone a concrete answer to what the **** is going on.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 13, 2020, 01:47:50 pm
I dont remember if birth certificates and grades were required to be handed in at the beginning of the year. Its been a long 2020.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 13, 2020, 01:56:33 pm
I just saw on the forum that 3 players from 2028 were not signed up on a sports database.
If its the 3 big new linemen i would call something fishy.
If its 3 returning players and it was forgotten about then a fine/penalty would be adequate in my eyes.
I guess time will tell. Grab some popcorn and a cold one this is gonna get interesting.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: TY KENT on November 13, 2020, 02:26:50 pm
Thank the Lord that Primetime hasn't commented yet
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Coach12 on November 13, 2020, 02:45:07 pm
I just saw on the forum that 3 players from 2028 were not signed up on a sports database.
If its the 3 big new linemen i would call something fishy.
If its 3 returning players and it was forgotten about then a fine/penalty would be adequate in my eyes.
I guess time will tell. Grab some popcorn and a cold one this is gonna get interesting.

Your quote below:
"Lc 6th grade isnt out because of some paperwork. They are out because a few players didnt get the required # of plays.

Facts over rumors.

Regardless if a few boys have to sit out i wonder who and how many"


Remind me...  who is laying out facts, and who is laying out rumors? You see now that it is MORE than just a few players didn't get their required plays? No coach in this league is protesting because a few players didn't get plays.

It's in the rulebook that ALL players must be registered via Sportabase prior to stepping on the field. LC has multiple players, in multiple grades not registered in Sportabase. This isn't a "Oh mom and dad forgot/didn't realize" situation. I'm wondering how many of these players were added after game 1... How many of these players attend LC?
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: chadewill on November 13, 2020, 02:56:47 pm
LC's team is talented and whipped our rear-ends.  I am not one to try to backdoor my way into a championship game but rules are rules so my two cents are:



If a team played with three ineligible players, to me, that is an issue which needs to be addressed.  Like someone said earlier, if those three kids are of age and grade then not much of an issue for me.

If the three players sit out of the Yukon game and LC still wins by a ton ... probably a non-issue other than the simple fact of some rules not being followed (fine, slap on the wrist)

If the three players sit out the Yukon game and Yukon wins then BA Black and Edmond probably have some well-earned heartburn about that as those three teams are fairly similar


 
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Coach12 on November 13, 2020, 03:02:30 pm
You know so much Coach12  I’m curious, where do you get this information?  Do you know which kids are in question?  Are they important pieces to LCS 5th grade team, how long have they been there?  How many kids per team?  You seem to know a lot. Fill us in.

I will not disclose my source. I have been asked not to, and I respect the request of my source. But, I will tell you that coaches in 6th grade have spoken directly to league officials. Coaches that I trust to pass along correct and truthful information.

I seem to want to know the same information as you Mallcop. Except for if they were "important pieces" to ANY LC team. That, to me, is not as important as why there are multiple grades, with multiple players not registered at LC.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: TY KENT on November 13, 2020, 03:29:11 pm
I had a wise man once tell me "Remember the golden rule Ty" as to him I responded "do unto others as you would have done to you"..and he responded that is the Biblical golden rule but the Worldly Golden rule is "those with the Gold makes the rules!!" As I become older I see that he was more wise than even I understood at that time. I feel bad for Coach Wolf from what I know of him he is a good dude.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: LC8 on November 13, 2020, 03:45:09 pm
Let me start this with I don’t have all of the information as to what is going on at the infc level but since this thread is about rumors I want to address the false information. All of Lincoln’s kids are in 5th grade with the exception of a 4th grader that had to play up because of weight. One new player this year did not register with USA football as he came to practice late and most likely missed the communication about registering. The other two players are not new to Lincoln this year and it was most likely an oversight by the parents to register. These are all good kids in 5th grade that are heartbroken that they don’t get to play when they did nothing wrong. The play count issue in 6th grade is the reason 6th grade lc is out of the championship. Again not the kids fault and that’s the thing that sucks the most for those kids. I know those coaches and they have 26-28 players so it’s not an excuse but I know it’s difficult to keep track of that many kids plays. To my knowledge no one is pushing back in the play count. For 5th grade football it’s simply an oversight of USA football registration which is to be done by the parents. Our full roster with submitted and accepted to infc at the beginning of the season. Hope this helps provide some clarity.  I know infc will have official information on what they took into consideration with this unfortunate situation with what they decided but from a parents perspective regardless of team it’s the kids that suffer the most in this. Based on the comments here it’s not anything that manipulated a kids age to get a competitive advantage to play. Hope that helps
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: TY KENT on November 13, 2020, 04:59:57 pm
thank you LC8
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: ALL CAPS GUY on November 13, 2020, 05:58:49 pm
THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Boss32 on November 13, 2020, 06:38:15 pm
It’s a shame that we have so many butt hurt men. To stoop so low to hurt kids! Many years TYAA have protested about teams not being in compliance and not one time were there any investigations. Why weren’t the roosters validated against the janky website? I pray these kids have some strong mommas because I’ve never seen so many weak men. These are kids!
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: CoachEmUp" on November 13, 2020, 06:40:47 pm
@lc8 this was not about there age and I’ll leave it that.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: CoachR on November 13, 2020, 07:01:25 pm
Sportabase is where kids are registered, not USA football.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: LC8 on November 13, 2020, 07:49:09 pm
Sorry yes sportbase is what I meant.  That’s what the action of the infc was based on. For anything else alleged I’m sure infc will look into it and Lincoln will provide whatever is requested. I can’t speak to those things just what I know for me and my kid. I believe Lincoln is a great organization and my experience is they recognize it’s a privilege to play in the infc and they are not ones to take advantage of that privilege. I’ve enjoyed reading all of the banter on the forum and seeing how much everyone enjoys the game of football. With that comes smack talk and burritos but I hope it’s all in good fun. The bigger picture is the kids and learning to play as a team. The experience that comes with football can last a lifetime. I hope we win the championship but win or lose tomorrow I’m proud of our boys and how they have grown this year. I personally have a lot of respect for all the teams we have played and I know there are good coaches trying to do what we are doing and that’s investing in the next generation. Hopefully we can all agree on that and let the infc and Lincoln administration do their due diligence on anything else.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: AllIn21 on November 13, 2020, 09:49:58 pm
I had a wise man once tell me "Remember the golden rule Ty" as to him I responded "do unto others as you would have done to you"..and he responded that is the Biblical golden rule but the Worldly Golden rule is "those with the Gold makes the rules!!" As I become older I see that he was more wise than even I understood at that time. I feel bad for Coach Wolf from what I know of him he is a good dude.

Truer words have never been spoken. Coach Wolf is a good dude and he’s got my utmost respect. I know he’s taking this in stride and will come back better for it. No matter what has transpired I know for a fact he eats breathes and lives for teaching young men the game of football. Hopefully tomorrow is a great game and both teams play to the best of their abilities. I’ll be in the stands with popcorn ready.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: DUB4 on November 13, 2020, 11:29:18 pm
I’ve been hunting and enjoying my time off and don’t really give 2 💩 at this point but what would squash all the bull crap would be each kid be issued an id before the season to wear at weigh ins. There are so many ways to cheat and unfortunately some may consider that “winning at all costs”... For example: suit some other kid up wearing so and so’s jersey whether older or younger etc...My 7th grader would fit right in, until he smacked someone...  I heard rumors about Yukon adding players for the playoffs but it’s not my side of the state or my job to play “vote counter”... Believe this... if the Dems can rig an election, you can rig a football team.... best of luck to whoever plays Tomorrow... and if the INFC can’t figure it out, I guess Bartlesville is still the Champs kinda like Trump is still YOUR President 💪🏽
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: bk99 on November 14, 2020, 09:55:45 am
This was a good read in the 6th forum I’m just copying and pasting

It is true that every player & coach must register in Sportabase. This is stated in the rulebook twice: Once in Section 3; Article 7 (Page 3) & once again in Section 12; Article 1 (Page 2).

When it comes to this violation of the rules, one must refer to Section 10 titled Rule Violations. Article 1 expressly lays out actions that the INFC Commission can take against "an organization, coach, parent, or player" to include one or more of the following - fine, forfeiture of game or games, suspension of coaches or individuals within an organization, probation, any action deemed appropriate by majority vote of the Commission including the permanent removal from the INFC.

In this case, with the unregistered players for Lincoln, it sounds like they received a fine & the coaches/players not registered are not allowed to participate in tomorrow's game. This is well in line with Section 10 of the rulebook when it comes to levying penalties against an organization, coach, player, parent, etc.

There was also mention about the the 6th grade team & why they had to forfeit & why the teams with unregistered players did not. Once again, let's refer to the rulebook Section 12; Article 2 which lays out the minimum playing time rules for each respective grade (3rd-7th). Continue on into Section 12 to Article 6 & one sees that it expressly says that if a coach is in violation of the participation rule, the game will be ruled a forfeit.

Although there were violations of the rules, they are not one in the same in this case. When it comes to participation rules, the rulebook clearly lays out that penalty. In the case of the unregistered player violations, that is laid out in Section 10 & gives the Commission multiple options.

It's not a "good ole boy system" like many would like to allude to.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: PRESSPass on November 14, 2020, 02:37:26 pm
LC's team is talented and whipped our rear-ends.  I am not one to try to backdoor my way into a championship game but rules are rules so my two cents are:



If a team played with three ineligible players, to me, that is an issue which needs to be addressed.  Like someone said earlier, if those three kids are of age and grade then not much of an issue for me.

If the three players sit out of the Yukon game and LC still wins by a ton ... probably a non-issue other than the simple fact of some rules not being followed (fine, slap on the wrist)

If the three players sit out the Yukon game and Yukon wins then BA Black and Edmond probably have some well-earned heartburn about that as those three teams are fairly similar

Halftine score:
LC - 8
Yukon - 0
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Rambo on November 14, 2020, 03:13:45 pm
How in the world did Yukon get to the ship? Is this grade that weak?
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: PRESSPass on November 14, 2020, 03:22:15 pm
Final score:
LC - 14
Yukon - 0
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Miller06 on November 14, 2020, 07:16:43 pm
Rambo, not sure who your with but Yukon got to the ship by beating some REALLY great teams this year. Bartlesville blue who in my opinion is the best coached team in this grade. Bixby white 2xs who has the best defense we saw all year and an Edmond Bulldogs team that could hang w anyone. Thats how we got here. No we didn't win it but least we weren't on the couch watching it from home. My  22 kids fought their asses off to get to the ship. We help LC to their lowest points of the year and had to deal w the east side officials.. I can agree that #11 is the best player in this league and any other league I've ever been apart of. 
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Hopkins#3 on November 14, 2020, 07:20:36 pm
Congrats Miller. You guy had a great season! 
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Miller06 on November 14, 2020, 07:30:28 pm
Thanks Hopkins. Its guys like you and Ty Kent that make the east side look good. Sad that some of the others out your way don't understand good football.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Miller06 on November 14, 2020, 07:32:05 pm
Gotta add Jojo into that group. Missed seeing him this year. Another stand up guy!
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: B-HILL 34 prime time on November 14, 2020, 07:53:59 pm
I got to meet the Yukon group at BWW after there bixby win !! Great group bunch of studs!!
And great people ! .... Still a LC hater always will Be !!! Cheaters always prosper 🤣 ......full rides available at the hill 2021 🤡
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: hubcap_necklass on November 14, 2020, 09:43:07 pm
Congrajalations to all teams player coaches parents kids asisstants managers water carriors kickoff tee retrievers and last but not least coaches who played this year all respect.  But only one team can flex on em amd that is lincoln but all respect to ither teams.  💪⛓⚙️⛓💪
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: B-HILL 34 prime time on November 14, 2020, 10:03:25 pm
Hub cap !! Lol 😂 
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Hopkins#3 on November 14, 2020, 10:51:56 pm
Nice of hubcap to end the season with a double flex!
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 14, 2020, 11:52:41 pm
Just watched the broadcast.. LC tore up Yukon... LcS had a game plan run the ball. Yukon couldnt stop it... Only reason you held LCS to 14 pts was your time management by keeping them off the field**not a bad thing** and a bad snap on the 1 yard line. Honestly tho, Congrats on getting to the championship game. Alot of kids never get there. Im sure it was a feeling your kids will feed on this off season and come back stronger ready to rock and roll..

Funny how the 3 players who didnt play werent the Linemen in question...... No one is talking about that now.

I cannot wait until next season, this season was my first time joining the forums, i may come off alittle harsh or rude, but at the end of the day i am in it for the same reason everyone of us parents and coaches are, to help develop these boys into becoming young men with character, discipline and the knowledge that hard work and dedication ALWAYS PAYS OFF...


Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Hopkins#3 on November 14, 2020, 11:58:22 pm
Couldn’t make the game. Who miss d for LC?
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: StayInUrLane on November 15, 2020, 12:24:13 am
Coach Wolf, #2 #24 and #40
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: 08GAGE on November 15, 2020, 08:00:31 am
I was on the sideline for the Bixby vs Yukon game and I was very impressed with Yukon. They beat Bixby straight up and definitely deserve to play for the championship. I’m not a fan of the east west thing and all the us and them stuff. Yukon and Edmond were both top teams and deserve everyone’s respect. Everyone enjoy the offseason and hopefully see everyone next year.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Jenks#11 on November 15, 2020, 09:28:00 am
Right.  We played this Yukon team two times last year.  Hard nosed and well coached.  Kicked our tail the second time in the 4th grade playoffs on Halloween night.  Well deserved Westey!
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: guest5053 on November 15, 2020, 11:12:33 am
I don’t know who Rambo is but I know he is active on the 6th grade forum.  So he should leave his trash up in 6th grade. We don’t have an East/ west beef on this side of the forum. The only problem have is Bhillprimetime, and that’s only after he is a few beers in. Lol! Most  of us keep I classy on this forum. Im Owasso parent. And I think the teams that were there deserved to be there.  Simone getting on and cutting down this grade is BS. We outaa send bhillprime to the 6th grade forum and get em goin. Lol!
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: JM84 on November 15, 2020, 11:22:25 am
I completely agree that Yukon was a really good football team and deserved to be in the championship. My sons team has played them 2 years in a row. They have some good athletes  and play physical. They are also very well coached.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: AllIn21 on November 15, 2020, 11:22:38 am
Don’t be throwin shade at the 6th grade forum. Rambo don’t reside in there. Nobody tryin to go “semant surfin”. INFC season is over. Congrats to the champs.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: Rambo on November 15, 2020, 01:21:27 pm
Just calling it like I see it...Yukon did not look like a championship quality team. LCS playbook was vanilla AF and they rolled them.

I saw every game yesterday...Yukon and Norman were the worst and it’s not close. Scores don’t lie..
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: guest5053 on November 15, 2020, 02:33:39 pm
Rambo a sad forum troll.  Get a life. It’s Sunday.  Don’t you have a family. We don’t want your trash in this forum. Go back to where you belong. We all know why LC game was vanilla AF.  You don’t bc you too
Stupid to see it.
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: thomm on November 16, 2020, 08:41:36 am
Why doesn't INFC send correct rosters to Field Reps (people at weigh-ins) so both teams can only bring who is registered?  All players and coaches have picture ID badges at weigh-ins to prove that the kids playing are the ones on the INFC approved roster?
Title: Re: Championship rumors
Post by: KJ.Fifteen on November 16, 2020, 10:25:30 am
Same rules apply for everyone LC. Just asking.