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Football => 6th Grade => Topic started by: Pigskin Pal on November 13, 2020, 09:42:55 am

Title: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Pigskin Pal on November 13, 2020, 09:42:55 am
Ok- so whatís the real story?  I heard it wasnít just 1 player w/ only 1 missed play in our grade.... 

I also heard that several LC teams had kids playing that werenít even registered thru sportabase (playing for free) in several grades. 

Lastly, there were some rumors flying around that some kids didnít even attend LC.   Now, to be fair, this individual didnít know that to be true or not. 

Also heard initially INFC was gonna kick out all LC teams w/ unregistered kids.  But then decided to fine each said team $500 in violation & not let any team play with any kid not registered.  Kinda a bad situation to not let any of the teams play in the finals when the finals are at LC.

I donít know why these rumors are being kept secret.  Letís bring it out & see what ones are true/ false.

Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Footballfan2028 on November 13, 2020, 10:00:50 am
The kids in question, which isnít as many as the ďrumorsĒ are suggesting have all been attending Lincoln.  Some of them since Pre-k. Their parents forgot to fill out their sportabase paperwork.  But they were on an official roster since the beginning of the year.  And they do go to school there. .  I am friends with one of the families their kid now has to sit out Saturday.  So I know the whole story.  It was one piece of paperwork not some grand scheme.  Now you got kids that cannot play for the something that has never been a ďBIGĒ issue until now.  You all better check  your sportabase you know, in case life got in the way and you just forgot another piece of paperwork to fill out.  They had 3 kids in the 5th grade that forgot to register.  I donít know about the rest.  Their parents feel awful.  It just slipped their minds. The athletic director for their club messed up and didnít double check.  Their family told me he is new to the school.   Thatís all I know about the other teams. I have no idea about what went on with 6th grade.  Just trying to be a reasonable mind in a bunch of nonsense.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: CURTDOGG93 on November 13, 2020, 10:07:00 am
My only question is those are illegal players right or wrong??? If they are illegal than they should have to forfeit every game. Just like they have done the other teams!!!! But here comes the good ole boy system where they say I donít think they did it on purpose. How does certain organizations get held to higher standards than other clubs. Lincoln Christian is recruiting and everyone knows it but itís okay for them and they will get away with this. Whatís a fine gonna do???
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Footballfan2028 on November 13, 2020, 10:10:32 am
Their 6th grade team cannot play man.  You gonna punish young kids for some their parents forgot to do.  Are you kidding?  Just bc you have some issue with a school. Illegal?  They forgot to fill out one pice of paper.  Not a whole team a couple of kids.  They attend the school. Have you ever forgot to fill something out?  And I bet if you went in and checked sportabase across the board they would have several missing documents.  But right now they donít care about that.  They are just checking two days before some kids supposed to play.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: CoachB#40 on November 13, 2020, 10:11:59 am
They are a private school so they can recruit.  I know some of the 6th grade coaches and players.  I don't think they purposely did this intentionally.  They've owned up to their mistake.  It  sucks for those kids, but now it is what it is. LC is out and Norman is in.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Footballfan2028 on November 13, 2020, 10:15:55 am
Iím just on here to be honest.  It was a mistake not some scandal. Just put yourself In the kids place.  Idc about what happened with the 6th grade.  Iím just talking about the kids that were blindsided they parents are good people man. Donít act like some paper work is the biggest problem the INFC has ever let go.  From the looks of what I have read in the past few hours a lot stuff the INFC overlooks.  So we gonna get chippy over paperwork.  Thatís ridiculous and you know it.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Mav3834 on November 13, 2020, 10:23:43 am
Ummm... Sorry not sorry. 

Section 12
Players Rules and Participation
Article 1: All participants of the INFC must be registered on the Sportabase
registration system before being allowed to participate in practices or games.
Those in violation are considered illegal participants and will immediately be
removed and penalties assessed to the organization and team.


LC has ONE team per grade so checking rosters against sportabase is really easy.  I feel bad for the kids, and I feel bad for the parents for forgetting to sign their kids up..  If yall wanna be angry or blame someone its on the club directors/officers for not double checking which I might add is really really easy to do since LC only has 1 team per grade. 
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Pigskin Pal on November 13, 2020, 10:26:43 am
Donít you have to pay & actually sign up thru sportabase?   So how can they be on a ďofficial rosterĒ if they werenít put into sportabase?  Iím not sure- thatís why Iím asking.  Also, I heard it was ďmultiple kids on several rostersĒ.  Hope that isnít so.  Iíd hate to have to explain that to my kid.  Our rosters all came off of sportabase.  And the coaches would look at it & see who has & has not, etc.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Poke64 on November 13, 2020, 10:51:02 am
They are a private school so they can recruit.  I know some of the 6th grade coaches and players.  I don't think they purposely did this intentionally.  They've owned up to their mistake.  It  sucks for those kids, but now it is what it is. LC is out and Norman is in.

Recruiting ......Donít players need to be released from previous club?  Would registering a kid in sportabase that has not been released from another club have raised a red flag? 
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: CoachB#40 on November 13, 2020, 11:03:39 am
Now I'm not sure on the whole releasing the players from their previous school.  I don't think would be a sportabase thing though.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Coach12 on November 13, 2020, 11:05:06 am
The kids in question, which isnít as many as the ďrumorsĒ are suggesting have all been attending Lincoln.  Some of them since Pre-k. Their parents forgot to fill out their sportabase paperwork.  But they were on an official roster since the beginning of the year.  And they do go to school there. .  I am friends with one of the families their kid now has to sit out Saturday.  So I know the whole story.  It was one piece of paperwork not some grand scheme.  Now you got kids that cannot play for the something that has never been a ďBIGĒ issue until now.  You all better check  your sportabase you know, in case life got in the way and you just forgot another piece of paperwork to fill out.  They had 3 kids in the 5th grade that forgot to register.  I donít know about the rest.  Their parents feel awful.  It just slipped their minds. The athletic director for their club messed up and didnít double check.  Their family told me he is new to the school.   Thatís all I know about the other teams. I have no idea about what went on with 6th grade.  Just trying to be a reasonable mind in a bunch of nonsense.

Wait, you have "no idea" about what went on with the 6th grade team but came here to tell us how the 5th grade team has 3 kids whose parents "forgot" to register them? And that the club director or coach NEVER once checked or noticed? How many years have these players played in the INFC? And how many years have these coaches coached in the INFC?

Also, how many of the non registered players were on the team before the first game? Were any players added after game 1? I don't know why I'm asking you honestly. You came to the 6th grade forum to talk about 5th grade. Sounds like the entire LC organization is doing some shady stuff. One team, one player... Ok. But, when it comes to 3 teams with MULTIPLE players.... COME ON BRUH!!!!
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Cards#1Fan on November 13, 2020, 11:19:20 am
Rules are rules. Play by them or don't and fear the consequences. That simple. Makes me wonder if their INBC championship should have an asterisk 🤔 LOL JK.  I'm with Mav, sorry not sorry. GET UR PAPERWORK DONE! No excuses! Good luck Twolves and Glenpool!! Should be an outstanding championship game of two heavyweights.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Footballfan2028 on November 13, 2020, 11:21:34 am
Just telling you what ďIĒ heard. Everyone knows the 6th grade forum is popping that is why I checked it out. SMH. You get mad like I have some skin in the game.  You donít want to hear anything anyways.  Good luck to the teams that are playing.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Mav3834 on November 13, 2020, 11:31:31 am
They are a private school so they can recruit.  I know some of the 6th grade coaches and players.  I don't think they purposely did this intentionally.  They've owned up to their mistake.  It  sucks for those kids, but now it is what it is. LC is out and Norman is in.

Recruiting ......Donít players need to be released from previous club?  Would registering a kid in sportabase that has not been released from another club have raised a red flag?

In this case... If a player was playing for "Club X" last year and they decide to attend "Y Private School" this year and play football they would not need a release because the INFC hierarchy is School then where you live.  Player would need a release if they attended Y Private school and choose to play for "Club X" whose district they reside.

This is only the case with private schools as I understand it.  If this BA to Bixby or Jenks to Sand Springs a waiver would have to be obtained.

This whole process is done through INFC and not sportabase.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Coach12 on November 13, 2020, 11:37:04 am
Just telling you what ďIĒ heard. Everyone knows the 6th grade forum is popping that is why I checked it out. SMH. You get mad like I have some skin in the game.  You donít want to hear anything anyways.  Good luck to the teams that are playing.

Mad? Who's mad? You came in and offered information like you HAVE skin in the game. Are you going to answer any of the questions I asked in regards to your post?
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Poke64 on November 13, 2020, 11:48:19 am
They are a private school so they can recruit.  I know some of the 6th grade coaches and players.  I don't think they purposely did this intentionally.  They've owned up to their mistake.  It  sucks for those kids, but now it is what it is. LC is out and Norman is in.

Recruiting ......Donít players need to be released from previous club?  Would registering a kid in sportabase that has not been released from another club have raised a red flag?

In this case... If a player was playing for "Club X" last year and they decide to attend "Y Private School" this year and play football they would not need a release because the INFC hierarchy is School then where you live.  Player would need a release if they attended Y Private school and choose to play for "Club X" whose district they reside.

This is only the case with private schools as I understand it.  If this BA to Bixby or Jenks to Sand Springs a waiver would have to be obtained.

This whole process is done through INFC and not sportabase.

Thanks for the clarification.
So this being the case, would there be any ulterior motive for not registering the kids?  I understand rules are rules, just trying to understand if this is a record keeping error like itís being explained by the INFC, or was LC playing kids that if still had been registered, should not have been playing.   
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Shaffer5 on November 13, 2020, 11:54:10 am
Look this is hypothetical for sure, but if there are any of these "stud free agents" looking for a new school next year shout me a holler dog. No promises, but I might could get you a really good 2nd job working at our Southside Kum & Go or Dollar General 20-35 hours a week. Of course as stated above this is all hypothetical, but if something were to ever happen of this nature one should assume it would be performance based incentives.  Don't everybody jump at once now. This isn't for anyone, but the best of the best of what's left.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: TouchdownKing17 on November 13, 2020, 11:56:16 am
As Allen Iverson would say...Ē Are really talking about one form here?  Are we talking a form...I mean a form! What are we talking about a form?  We talking about a form man!Ē.

Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: CURTDOGG93 on November 13, 2020, 12:06:29 pm
Their 6th grade team cannot play man.  You gonna punish young kids for some their parents forgot to do.  Are you kidding?  Just bc you have some issue with a school. Illegal?  They forgot to fill out one pice of paper.  Not a whole team a couple of kids.  They attend the school. Have you ever forgot to fill something out?  And I bet if you went in and checked sportabase across the board they would have several missing documents.  But right now they donít care about that.  They are just checking two days before some kids supposed to play.

They have punished other kids and the whole team had to forfeit their season. So hell yes they should be punished!!!  My question again is why does the rules apply to certain clubs but not all clubs?? They have illegal players all season long. So that means you forfeit every game they played in!!!! But the good ole boys system not gonna do Lincoln like that because they donít think they did it on purpose!!!! LMAO
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: SpartySpartSpart on November 13, 2020, 12:06:33 pm
New threads are started to discuss the issue at hand. Then someone...Penguin...has to change the subject to some conspiracy theory.

To cheat or not to cheat? That is the question. Why would one grade have to forfeit while other grades get to play without unregistered players? 6th grade was apparently doing something they were not suppose to. We can talk paperwork errors or the need for a larger ďsubmitĒ button on Sportsbase. It like a child saying they didnít eat the cake while sporting a chocolate mustache.

Set the truth free...!
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Shaffer5 on November 13, 2020, 12:09:40 pm
$7.75 an hr
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Footballfan2028 on November 13, 2020, 12:14:40 pm
I get what you guys are saying rules are rules they should be the same across the board.  Wasnít trying to offend anyone.  Have a nice day. Good luck to the teams that are playing I. The 6th grade championship.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Shaffer5 on November 13, 2020, 12:18:10 pm
Ok  $7.95, but not a penny more and I want a guarantee of at least 20 tds!
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: SpartySpartSpart on November 13, 2020, 12:31:37 pm
Again...set the truth free...
Title: Re: Rumors??? What’s true?
Post by: Literary_Cemetary on November 13, 2020, 04:56:53 pm
It is painfully obvious that a large number of coaches & participants within the league not only do not read the rulebook, but also lack a basic understanding of the overall verbiage & the meaning of the rules as well as the application.


Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: AllIn21 on November 13, 2020, 05:05:41 pm
Elaborate sir? Or better yet, educate...
Title: Re: Rumors??? What’s true?
Post by: Literary_Cemetary on November 13, 2020, 05:20:36 pm
My only question is those are illegal players right or wrong??? If they are illegal than they should have to forfeit every game. Just like they have done the other teams!!!! But here comes the good ole boy system where they say I don’t think they did it on purpose. How does certain organizations get held to higher standards than other clubs. Lincoln Christian is recruiting and everyone knows it but it’s okay for them and they will get away with this. What’s a fine gonna do???

It is true that every player & coach must register in Sportabase. This is stated in the rulebook twice: Once in Section 3; Article 7 (Page 3) & once again in Section 12; Article 1 (Page 2).

When it comes to this violation of the rules, one must refer to Section 10 titled Rule Violations. Article 1 expressly lays out actions that the INFC Commission can take against "an organization, coach, parent, or player" to include one or more of the following - fine, forfeiture of game or games, suspension of coaches or individuals within an organization, probation, any action deemed appropriate by majority vote of the Commission including the permanent removal from the INFC.

In this case, with the unregistered players for Lincoln, it sounds like they received a fine & the coaches/players not registered are not allowed to participate in tomorrow's game. This is well in line with Section 10 of the rulebook when it comes to levying penalties against an organization, coach, player, parent, etc.

There was also mention about the the 6th grade team & why they had to forfeit & why the teams with unregistered players did not. Once again, let's refer to the rulebook Section 12; Article 2 which lays out the minimum playing time rules for each respective grade (3rd-7th). Continue on into Section 12 to Article 6 & one sees that it expressly says that if a coach is in violation of the participation rule, the game will be ruled a forfeit.

Although there were violations of the rules, they are not one in the same in this case. When it comes to participation rules, the rulebook clearly lays out that penalty. In the case of the unregistered player violations, that is laid out in Section 10 & gives the Commission multiple options.

It's not a "good ole boy system" like many would like to allude to.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: AllIn21 on November 13, 2020, 05:44:09 pm
Facts over feelings... I like it.
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Rambo on November 13, 2020, 07:34:52 pm
There is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY this was an ďoversightĒ lol

Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: BA BlackWolf on November 13, 2020, 07:47:56 pm
My only question is those are illegal players right or wrong??? If they are illegal than they should have to forfeit every game. Just like they have done the other teams!!!! But here comes the good ole boy system where they say I donít think they did it on purpose. How does certain organizations get held to higher standards than other clubs. Lincoln Christian is recruiting and everyone knows it but itís okay for them and they will get away with this. Whatís a fine gonna do???

It is true that every player & coach must register in Sportabase. This is stated in the rulebook twice: Once in Section 3; Article 7 (Page 3) & once again in Section 12; Article 1 (Page 2).

When it comes to this violation of the rules, one must refer to Section 10 titled Rule Violations. Article 1 expressly lays out actions that the INFC Commission can take against "an organization, coach, parent, or player" to include one or more of the following - fine, forfeiture of game or games, suspension of coaches or individuals within an organization, probation, any action deemed appropriate by majority vote of the Commission including the permanent removal from the INFC.

In this case, with the unregistered players for Lincoln, it sounds like they received a fine & the coaches/players not registered are not allowed to participate in tomorrow's game. This is well in line with Section 10 of the rulebook when it comes to levying penalties against an organization, coach, player, parent, etc.

There was also mention about the the 6th grade team & why they had to forfeit & why the teams with unregistered players did not. Once again, let's refer to the rulebook Section 12; Article 2 which lays out the minimum playing time rules for each respective grade (3rd-7th). Continue on into Section 12 to Article 6 & one sees that it expressly says that if a coach is in violation of the participation rule, the game will be ruled a forfeit.

Although there were violations of the rules, they are not one in the same in this case. When it comes to participation rules, the rulebook clearly lays out that penalty. In the case of the unregistered player violations, that is laid out in Section 10 & gives the Commission multiple options.

It's not a "good ole boy system" like many would like to allude to.

I like this guy. Rules are the rules. I do disagree with your last sentence. There DEFINITELY is a good ole boy deal that goes on. Nobody can be that blind. That being said, let's just move forward. I mean it's 2020. This should almost be expected. Best of luck to the two remaining teams. BA BLACK  will see you guys again next year!
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: Mav3834 on November 13, 2020, 08:38:53 pm

I like this guy. Rules are the rules. I do disagree with your last sentence. There DEFINITELY is a good ole boy deal that goes on. Nobody can be that blind. That being said, let's just move forward. I mean it's 2020. This should almost be expected. Best of luck to the two remaining teams. BA BLACK  will see you guys again next year!

Come on BA BlackWolf..... Do you really think INFC knew LC had players playing that were unregistered and just turned a blind eye to it?  That's like saying the IRS lets people get away with not paying taxes. 
Title: Re: Rumors??? Whatís true?
Post by: BA BlackWolf on November 13, 2020, 10:01:21 pm

I like this guy. Rules are the rules. I do disagree with your last sentence. There DEFINITELY is a good ole boy deal that goes on. Nobody can be that blind. That being said, let's just move forward. I mean it's 2020. This should almost be expected. Best of luck to the two remaining teams. BA BLACK  will see you guys again next year!

Come on BA BlackWolf..... Do you really think INFC knew LC had players playing that were unregistered and just turned a blind eye to it?  That's like saying the IRS lets people get away with not paying taxes.

To answer your question, not at all. I guess that came out wrong. I'm not saying anybody knew. I love the INFC and I won't get involved with the political side of things and what I think. Honestly, you guys know the saying. It's only youth football. I can guarantee you oh, I am only in it for the kids. Everything else is out of my control.