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Re: Standings?
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2020, 06:10:45 pm »
To be the best you gotta beat the best. We'll take the ruff road.
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #46 on: October 29, 2020, 06:39:52 pm »
Owasso White gave up 38 points to the Red Machine and only beat Jenks Maroon by 4. Since you talking numbers don't leave that out. To go a step further Jenks Maroon would beat em if they played again.
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2020, 09:20:46 pm »
LMAO!! Your funny Raider. Hot Boys are going to end up a hot mess when they roll into Owasso Saturday night. You better start paying attention ole son!!

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Re: Standings?
« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2020, 11:01:39 pm »
This is correct if they go by points first over win-loss record. Do they go by points first then
default to win-loss and/or head to head if points are tied?

Articles 2 and 4 in the post season games section of rule book seem to contradict each other a little bit. But article 2 clearly states playoffs and seeding are determined by marginal points

All of the points calculated by house of bourbon on the spreadsheet for the top 4 teams of division 2 are accurate and only based on divisional games.


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Agree with most, but respectfully, GOTW is OWHITE/USLIVER, .

And only change up in Div-2 is 1 & 2 seed. BXBB & SS are mathematically locked.


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Agreed it is a GOTW (I'm a Silver parent) and SS is matematically locked but depending on the point spread on the BXBB game and the point spread on the OW-US game, BXBB can move up to #2 and one of the other teams OW/US can move to #3 while the other take #1. BXBB is playing JMaroon, if it is an 8 point spread to BXBB that moves their standing to 27. US would have to win then by 1 point to stay at #2 and 2 points to move to #1 and OW to #2. If the point spread is to go the other way in favor of OW then US would move to #3 and BXBB would move to #2. The only time that US would be put over BXBB is if standing are the same and because US beat BXBB.
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2020, 08:51:34 am »
This is correct if they go by points first over win-loss record. Do they go by points first then
default to win-loss and/or head to head if points are tied?

Articles 2 and 4 in the post season games section of rule book seem to contradict each other a little bit. But article 2 clearly states playoffs and seeding are determined by marginal points

All of the points calculated by house of bourbon on the spreadsheet for the top 4 teams of division 2 are accurate and only based on divisional games.


quote author=House of Bourbon link=topic=9494.msg84430#msg84430 date=1603990924]

Agree with most, but respectfully, GOTW is OWHITE/USLIVER, .

And only change up in Div-2 is 1 & 2 seed. BXBB & SS are mathematically locked.


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Agreed it is a GOTW (I'm a Silver parent) and SS is matematically locked but depending on the point spread on the BXBB game and the point spread on the OW-US game, BXBB can move up to #2 and one of the other teams OW/US can move to #3 while the other take #1. BXBB is playing JMaroon, if it is an 8 point spread to BXBB that moves their standing to 27. US would have to win then by 1 point to stay at #2 and 2 points to move to #1 and OW to #2. If the point spread is to go the other way in favor of OW then US would move to #3 and BXBB would move to #2. The only time that US would be put over BXBB is if standing are the same and because US beat BXBB.
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Thank you! All of my assessments are based on INFC input and rule book. I am a numbers person, my job is to analyze risks and rewards. So my Analysis was as I stated, US would have to win by 1 point, which would tie us in marginal points with BXBB if they were to win by 8 against JMarron and give us the #2 seed. And We would have to win by 2 points to tie marginal points with OWhite and win the head to head to get the #1 seed, otherwise we will be a #3 seed. According to INFC, the only time it would not be based on Marginal points is when they are tied for marginal points and then it is based on record or head to head. Like you stated, Section 18, Article 2: States "Marginal Points shall be calculated for each divisional game played throughout the regular season. Post-Season eligibility and seeding shall be determined utilizing marginal points. The maximum number of marginal points per game shall be eight points. No team shall add or subtract more than eight points per game. A. The maximum number of marginal points for any games that went into overtime shall be plus or minus one point. B. If two teams are tied (on marginal points), the advancer shall be the team that defeated the other during the regular season."
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2020, 08:55:55 am »
I hope thatís the case. Although it seems counterintuitive and would make divisional W/L almost irrelevant unless there an MP tie.


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Re: Standings?
« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2020, 09:01:19 am »
INFC doesn't say anything about total Divisional losses or wins but the marginal points.
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2020, 11:18:41 am »
Agreed! Thatís how I read it too. And to what Spartanstrong said it doesnít really make W/L irrelevant since you get + points for wins and - points for losses but it puts more emphasis on the spread in the wins and losses. Which makes sense to me. Not too much different than college rankings where a team with 2 losses could be ranked #1 or #2 over an undefeated team based on strength of schedule and quality of wins/losses.

Bottom line..big games this weekend!

INFC doesn't say anything about total Divisional losses or wins but the marginal points.

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Re: Standings?
« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2020, 01:23:36 pm »
This was recently shared / posted by the forum admin in football general discussions / playoff seeding:


It would seem the INFC rule book may need a revision for clarity...


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Re: Standings?
« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2020, 02:11:55 pm »
It has always been as the forum admin stated. There is no way .. absolutely no way SS or BXBB can jump US. We beat both an so we will be higher in the standings. How anyone can not understand that is beyond me
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2020, 10:45:26 pm »
Pop yo popcorn

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Re: Standings?
« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2020, 07:31:36 pm »
@bigblue42,  O-white bout to get 40 put on em.
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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2020, 07:48:54 pm »
Don't get quiet now.
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Re: Standings?
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2020, 10:44:49 pm »
@raider

It happens like that when your on point

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Re: Standings?
« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2020, 11:01:32 pm »
Here is what rulebook actually says about seeding in playoffs. Not to be confused with Post Season (Tourney)
Hope this helps

Play-Offs
Article 3: Play Offs Grades consisting of three or more divisions shall
advance top three teams in each division. Grades consisting of two divisions
shall advance the top four teams in each division. Grades having only one
division shall advance the top five teams in the division.
Article 4: Division Tie Breakers If two teams have equal records at the
end of the regular Conference play, the team that won over the other will be
considered to have the higher league standing.
A. In the event three or more teams are tied with identical records and no
winner can be determined, the advancing team shall be determined
by totaling the margin of points for each tied team in all Divisional
games (or division games if two or more divisions). The advancing
team shall be the team with the greatest number of marginal points.
B. Any remaining playoff spots for the remaining tied teams shall be
determined by the winner over the other during the regular season
as above