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Title: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on September 28, 2019, 07:31:59 pm
I just wanted to brag about how well these guys did all day long. They were even tempered and in command. Great job today!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: CoachPerry on September 29, 2019, 10:07:28 pm
I just wanted to brag about how well these guys did all day long. They were even tempered and in command. Great job today!

Was wondering if anyone would post about this game. I was not there obviously but a good friend of mine was and told me that some 4th grade boys were ejected and the game got out of hand. pushing shoving etc... Stated the refs were either new or unsure of themselves on alot of plays which effected the tempo. Just curious. Ive been pleased so far with our refs overall performance at each game.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on September 30, 2019, 05:50:11 am
There was an incident at the end of the game but, no players were ejected. The refs handled everything as they should have. I believe Sequoyah won the game 13-0 in the game you referring to. Not sure who's tempo they were affecting but, I coach 1st & 5th and they did not affect tempo in either game.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Director of Officials on September 30, 2019, 08:51:15 am
Thanks for the feedback, I will let the officials know!  It is rare when you get game that doesn't have a 1-3 year official on it and to be honest, we need more good young officials.  If you see one out there you feel is new, pick on the veteran and leave that new guy alone :)
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: CoachPerry on September 30, 2019, 11:28:52 am
There was an incident at the end of the game but, no players were ejected. The refs handled everything as they should have. I believe Sequoyah won the game 13-0 in the game you referring to. Not sure who's tempo they were affecting but, I coach 1st & 5th and they did not affect tempo in either game.

Great.  Like I said.  Wasnít there.  Glad to hear it worked out. 
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on September 30, 2019, 11:32:40 am
Yes sir
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Bearicade77 on October 04, 2019, 11:58:46 am
Not entirely true. There was an incident after the last play in which 2 hilldale players attacked a Sequoyah player first pushing then when he walked away full on punching him and tackling him to the ground and continuously punching and kicking him. These refs even went over along with coaches to break it up claimed they were recording the incident and noting #13 and #33 from hilldale were being ejected and suspended. They did not do their jobs and report the incident..They need to be held accountable so noone gets seriously hurt. Both the children and refs. highly disappointed in the refs and infc for not taking swift action and accountability on this. I am confident if this doesn't get resolved this week it will next week.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 04, 2019, 01:21:25 pm
Lol the refs handled it exactly as they should have. There was an incident but, they caught the aftermath and handled it appropriately.  The only alarming thing is that Sequoyah had parents that started to leave the stands and that is never ok. The refs are on the field for a reason and adults should never escalate the situation+ The situation went down as the majority of both teams were headed towards the 50 yd line to shake hands. The Ref's handled everything about as good as they could have given the circumstances.  Rest assured that if the situation warrants a kid being kicked out of a game that they will do what is necessary as I have even witnessed 1st graders be removed. So, once again I say the Refs done a great job at Hilldale on 09/28/2019.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Bearicade77 on October 04, 2019, 02:53:12 pm
You're correct, Sequoyah parents should not have left their seats but when a parent sees at a youth football game their child being full on attacked for no reason and jumped by 2 other players punching and kicking him then they tend to want to make sure their child is ok. Bottom line is that should not be happening and there were dirty, late hits happening all game long and calls being missed. There needs to be accountability for those players because that is NOT what INFC or youth football is about. Someone will get hurt. Refs are entrusted with these children's safety. Even if the refs didn't do their job, the head coach should be suspending those kids for acting like that and all the unsportsmanlike conduct. There is video footage of the majority of it and I understand refs cannot catch everything but that unnecessary fight at the end they most certainly did not do their job and did not turn in their report and it will be handled.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Coach12 on October 04, 2019, 03:00:48 pm
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Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: CoachEmUp" on October 04, 2019, 03:01:30 pm
no Comment!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 04, 2019, 03:02:29 pm
If you have video footage of what you are claiming and then submit it. The whole game was chippy on both sides and it would depend on which side you ask apparently as to where the late hits came from. No child was in any danger and the refs handled it in what they felt was an appropriate manner. They said they had questions about the Sequoyah player as well but, did not actually see the incident take place as they were headed towards the middle of the field to monitor the handshake and prepare for the next game. Now I have no idea as to whether you are a parent or a coach but, it is clear that you are with Sequoyah. My advice would be for you to concern yourself with Sequoyah and leave Hilldale to us. It is the job of the refs and the Infc hand down punishment. Obviously there has been no punishment handed down at this point. You can assume you know what people seen or did not see but, you cannot say with certainty what was witnessed by whom. Congratulations on the win and best of luck to you guys in the future. As I have already stated. Great job by the Refs at Hilldale on 09/28/2019
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Ftballmom on October 04, 2019, 05:41:14 pm
There is video footage taken by a parent of HD players shoving Sequoyah player in the back then grabbing him and showving him down and throwing punches. INFC has NOT reviewed this YET but as I understand it, will be.

The parents that left the stands did not enter the field and did not do anything wrong. You tell a parent who is watching their child gerting beat on to "stay seated" and see how far that goes.

So coach, concentrate on your players playing fair, not throwing late hits (of which there were several), and by all means, not throwing kicks and punches.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Bearicade77 on October 04, 2019, 05:46:42 pm
When there are continuous late hits, cheap shots by the same players repeatedly and even away from the action of the ball, after the play and in The back field it makes one wonder how that's even happening and being over looked for one, for 2 it will make for a "chippy" game because the players on the receiving end will eventually get tired of it. Question is, is that a tactic and is that being actually coached and taught? And yes players safety were at risk which is the only reason I commented to enlighten you on facts you may not have been aware of. These things take time to come to light. I'm a fan of football and what happened this particular game was not football. Question now is, is this an isolated occurrence to that day or an ongoing problem? Disciplinary action will eventually follow suit for such poor sportsmanship. These kids, refs, coaches, kids cannot go through football or life turning a blind eye to what's wrong.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: jamieR on October 04, 2019, 06:03:43 pm
Very similar scenario with refs occurred last Saturday as well in Jenks in which refs did not call appropriately time and time again with major violations IE slamming a players head into the ground a few times caught on video, our coach said he was reaching out to the INFC in which I really hope he did .
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Coach12 on October 04, 2019, 07:06:54 pm
Very similar scenario with refs occurred last Saturday as well in Jenks in which refs did not call appropriately time and time again with major violations IE slamming a players head into the ground a few times caught on video, our coach said he was reaching out to the INFC in which I really hope he did .

Absolutely did happen. #17 for Coweta should have been ejected from the game. Tons of cheap shots and trash talking from what I saw on video.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: jamieR on October 04, 2019, 07:11:30 pm
From video Sir really and only Coweta huh lol ok your entitled to your opinion, I just hope the correct people were contacted.  Have a great Evening!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Coach12 on October 04, 2019, 07:59:33 pm
From video Sir really and only Coweta huh lol ok your entitled to your opinion, I just hope the correct people were contacted.  Have a great Evening!

You too Jamie! Good luck against BA Black tomorrow!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Lumberjack on October 04, 2019, 09:29:53 pm
Very similar scenario with refs occurred last Saturday as well in Jenks in which refs did not call appropriately time and time again with major violations IE slamming a players head into the ground a few times caught on video, our coach said he was reaching out to the INFC in which I really hope he did .

Absolutely did happen. #17 for Coweta should have been ejected from the game. Tons of cheap shots and trash talking from what I saw on video.

Coach12 I don't always agree with your picks or what you say in forums BUT you are 100% correct on this!  #17 needs to learn a few things.  There are lots of plays that didn't get called.  I hope the Refs/INFC look at the entire game because it was bad.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Coach12 on October 04, 2019, 10:16:04 pm
Very similar scenario with refs occurred last Saturday as well in Jenks in which refs did not call appropriately time and time again with major violations IE slamming a players head into the ground a few times caught on video, our coach said he was reaching out to the INFC in which I really hope he did .

Absolutely did happen. #17 for Coweta should have been ejected from the game. Tons of cheap shots and trash talking from what I saw on video.

Coach12 I don't always agree with your picks or what you say in forums BUT you are 100% correct on this!  #17 needs to learn a few things.  There are lots of plays that didn't get called.  I hope the Refs/INFC look at the entire game because it was bad.

Finally got the lumberjacks approval!! Wish youíd post some picks... All in fun!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: clark13 on October 05, 2019, 05:58:58 am
When there are continuous late hits, cheap shots by the same players repeatedly and even away from the action of the ball, after the play and in The back field it makes one wonder how that's even happening and being over looked for one, for 2 it will make for a "chippy" game because the players on the receiving end will eventually get tired of it. Question is, is that a tactic and is that being actually coached and taught? And yes players safety were at risk which is the only reason I commented to enlighten you on facts you may not have been aware of. These things take time to come to light. I'm a fan of football and what happened this particular game was not football. Question now is, is this an isolated occurrence to that day or an ongoing problem? Disciplinary action will eventually follow suit for such poor sportsmanship. These kids, refs, coaches, kids cannot go through football or life turning a blind eye to what's wrong.








I was going to stay out of this, but no this is not taught with our team. This is a two street that your players were just as guilty. And if yíall have film of the incident after the game I would love to see it because Iíve been trying to find it myself.  Not sure you have it though because you have the wrong 2 numbers, but during all of what you are saying please donít forget the play of 34 and 44 all game. Yes it was chippy, it was physical, and there was a lot of extras by BOTH teams after the play. But it was a football game a good one at that. Hilldale players were disciplined that day and at practice, what about Sequoyah players? Iím sorry this incident happened and Iím sure it wonít happen again by my boys.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: BlueMachine on October 05, 2019, 07:58:48 am
Yep 13 and 33 were not the players that were punching 34 from sequoyah at the end of the game. It is all being handled and wont any of it get handled or make anything better by posting or blasting it on here.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: clark13 on October 05, 2019, 08:07:41 am
Agree blue. Good luck today hope yíall stay dry. Not looking food for any of us right now. Hopefully we donít have any game delays!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: CometParent19! on October 07, 2019, 11:28:42 am
They were back at it on Saturday against Bishop Kelley.  #13 had 5 personal fouls (and a few more that were not seen).  These boys are going to hurt someone. 
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Bearicade77 on October 07, 2019, 08:03:45 pm
I stand corrected on the claim of #13 and #33 on hilldale starting the fight against sequoyah after the last play of the game. I saw the film again and while for my eyes the exact #s were not clear but appears to be #70 something and thirty something.As  for where the footage is, it was captured by a parent on their phone and has been turned over to infc for review so I am sure Hilldale will be contacted with it. However, the game film shows other instances of late hits, dirty hits and unnecessary hits in the backfield not being called or possibly even seen. From my understanding the channels to properly get this resolved are the route Sequoyah themselves are taking. Nothing but the best of luck to all teams and my advice is if u have a dispute then go through the INFC director of football and head of officials. I think it is ludacris that we have to have constant film footage to protect our players from refs that won't make fair and safe calls. My discrepancy is with them which is why i commented here.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 07, 2019, 08:35:44 pm
Listen brother I understand what you are trying to get but, you also need to understand that tons of people tend to have tunnel vision on these types of issues. I am the President of the Hilldale club and I will tell you that my coaches had the same complaints towards your Sequoyah team. With that being said the game is now over a week ago and I have no clue as to what film you shared or when you shared it but, as of this date we have not been contacted by INFC. I know in the past that if there was not an ejection of a player in a game I have never seen them go back and suspend a player based on film. Not saying that they won't but, I personally have not seen it. The continuous film has always been a rule and it is in place for a reason. If you think about it then it makes perfect sense.  The refs had a different opinion than you or the other people who had the issue. I will say this though.  I think that you guys are extremely over exaggerating the safety issue. I don't feel as tho any of the kids were in any danger. We do not condone fighting on the football field but, in theory if there were to be a fight between 8-9 yr olds I am just not sure how much damage could be done in full pads. Best of luck to you guys in the future. If INFC decides to take action based on your efforts then kudos to you guys. However, I would ask that you go into this a little more open minded the next time around and fairly assess the whole situation on both sides. Again best of luck to you guys moving forward and congratulations on your win. I stand by this original post and commend the refs on a job well done at Hilldale on 09/28/2019.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: HoneyBadger1 on October 07, 2019, 08:58:06 pm
Iíve watched that film a few times it was the left guard and left tackle who threw the blows. Iíll give yíall a play by play LOL QB said hike, center snapped ball, offensive guard blocked DT, offensive guard got upset threw 2 punches to the kid helmet, Sequoyah kid then started walking away, offensive guard push kid in the back. Then the offensive tackle walks up (smaller kid) push same kid, then he grab kid by the neck and pulling kid to the ground. Have no dog in this fight but I do have the film of whatís being discussed
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 07, 2019, 09:02:56 pm
Is the incident you are referring to at the end of the game?
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: HoneyBadger1 on October 07, 2019, 09:13:17 pm
Yea this is the one at very end of game. Hilldale was running their last play look like they was in a empty set in shotgun
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 07, 2019, 09:15:51 pm
Ok cool, so in your description are you referring to 1 player or 2 different players? I have yet to see any film.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: HoneyBadger1 on October 07, 2019, 09:33:14 pm
It was 2 players on the 1 Sequoyah player. Look like anger just boiled over. Iím not even sure what grade this is they look really small but has to be 3rd grade are up since itís 11 man. The smaller kid probably did the most damage by grabbing the Sequoyah kid putting him in head lock and pulling him to ground.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 07, 2019, 09:38:53 pm
Thank you sir.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Bearicade77 on October 07, 2019, 09:46:50 pm
I do not have the film in my possession but i can ask that it be sent to you personally should they choose to do that and I'm not speaking for the sequoyah team, i am a fan and i was there and i have a friend of a friend who is close to the situation. I believe only the HC, the parent that took the film and the infc have the video at this time. i was there for another grade and happened to witness the fight and as a lot of us do we do have access to the game film we pay to have taken. But i do stand firm on players safety. Rules are in place and i know in football kids get hurt but a boxing match shouldn't be one of the ways.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 08, 2019, 10:42:44 am
I appreciate the respectful manner in which you are having this discussion. I love kids and I don't want to see any kids get hurt so, I 100% agree with you on that level. We just disagree on how this came to be. The coaches of our 4th grade team are high character guys. They have been coaching for quite some time. I coach the 5th grade team so, I was waiting on the sidelines as the game came to a close. I however was waiting for the signal from the refs to bring my team captains out onto the field for the coin toss. The refs and the majority of the coaches/players were headed towards the 50 for the handshake at the time the commotion broke out which is why I am clearly intrigued at the video. I don't recall what the last offensive play was but, I assume it did not move the ball far from the line of scrimmage for anything to have been picked up on film. Again the refs stance were they did not witness enough to warrant a suspension.  All they can go off of is what they seen. If something else should come out of this then so be it.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: PRESSPass on October 09, 2019, 06:13:03 pm
Is this it?

https://youtu.be/baIC5lShMDk
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: zebra99 on October 09, 2019, 11:07:05 pm
I assume thereís more too it than that?  Obviously there are fouls there, but thatís nothing like what has been described on here.   
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Ftballmom on October 10, 2019, 08:04:14 am
Watch around the 20 yard line, not the play itself.

A hilldale player pushes a Sequoyah player then grabs his facemask and starts throwing punches. The film goes to the scoreboard before you see the end of the "incident"
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: blue80omaha on October 10, 2019, 08:28:42 am
Yes thats the incident.

And yes there are fouls there. However, the game between 34 and the HD players was chippy all day. Looks like it boiled over and this was the result. It was handled immediately and between the refs and kids. All the players went to the 50 and shook hands. Game over. Time to move on.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: SeqEagleFan on October 10, 2019, 09:08:36 pm
I have been involved with the INFC and CYFA for a good 13 plus years, I have lost count because the days are long but the years fly by! I can honestly say I have NEVER witnessed an incident like this. When I say incident I am referring to the fact that the refs in this game DID NOT DO what they said they would do and that is record and report and file the fight aka "the incident" at the end of the game AFTER they witnessed it, commented on how the Sequoyah player got worked over, wrote down the players numbers and said it was recorded and would be reported. IT IS THEIR JOB to do that very thing and the whole issue is the principal that there has been zero integrity here on their part. I am not getting into players numbers and specifics because I am not falling into that trap here and I WILL NOT play the blame game on players and coaches and parents. Anyone who doesn't see an issue with the clip of the start of the fight, that is your opinion and your right, but that is NOT how football is played and that is NOT OK. It is not also ok that parents have to now get every single thing on film in order for it to even withstand a chance to be corrected. As mother to 3 boys that have played for and one still plays for CYFA and INFC I am absolutely disgusted with this entire situation. Myself and my husband, who is a youth football coach and has been for 13 years, try and teach not only our boys, but the boys he coaches how to play football, how to be young men of their word, honest, have integrity, how to be a team mate on and off the field, how to handle certain situations that may happen..and when the rules are broken and there are ZERO consequences and adults do not uphold their word..well it is disappointing, it is disgusting and chalking it up to "well it wasn't that bad" are you KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? That may be how some of you all want to raise your children and players and teach them, but that is NOT how we do things and when people let things go and do not follow the rules and do not stand by their word when it is their job you bet some people will take the necessary steps to ensure there are consequences because these young men are watching. We did not get on tape the entire incident but what is recorded is enough, if you put it in slow motion you will be pretty disgusted and the fact that the refs acknowledged it to Sequoyah's HC and stated they would record and report it then didn't and from the looks of it lied about it..No not cool people. My faith in INFC as well as my patience is wearing thin, Football is hard nosed, hard played, hard fought and an emotional game..I understand this ALL TO WELL. However, things like this should not be something we should have to be concerned about or worried about. Sometimes these things unfortunately happen where players or coaches get emotional and heated but they should be held to consequences and the Refs of all people should be too and they should do their jobs and be men /women of integrity and their word. That is the principal here. In 13 years i have NEVER commented or even made a screen name but at this point it appears a blind eye may be fallen onto this and my thing is, how do we explain this to our kids? We all fall short but rules are in place to enforce when we do and the consequences should be paid. Come on people..see the issue for what it is. We shouldn't have to worry about this. On that note good luck to all teams!
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: SeqEagleFan on October 10, 2019, 09:18:59 pm
Yes thats the incident.

And yes there are fouls there. However, the game between 34 and the HD players was chippy all day. Looks like it boiled over and this was the result. It was handled immediately and between the refs and kids. All the players went to the 50 and shook hands. Game over. Time to move on.

I would like you to tell me clip numbers of where 34 was being chippy on film and what that even means because from what we have seen 34 is just doing his job very well at executing all within the rules of football..if i have missed something, I would love to see it. Just because someone is getting beat on the field and blocked all within rules doesn't give them the right to start pushing and punching and then take them to the ground punching and kicking another player because that is exactly what happened. 34 even walked away after the first push ..... that was to be the game over but it went beyond. None of this would have even come up on this forum had a thread not been started about what a good job the refs did because that is pure hogwash! We will move on when a decision has been made and explanations by INFC are given as to why something has or has not been done. It is all about integrity at this point and the refs not doing what they said they would do which is their job. For the record before I get some snarky comment no 34 is not my son.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: AllIn21 on October 11, 2019, 07:04:12 am
I have no dog in the fight, but having been in this same position before looking for some form of retribution or ruling that serves as justice. You wonít like hearing this, but I would be willing to bet a weeks pay you wonít hear anything at all if you havenít heard it yet.

Best thing you can do is coach up your players to know how to react and to be able to process what happened. It may not seem fair but thatís about it.

If they do come down with some sort of ruling then Iíll be surprised. Good luck
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: SeqEagleFan on October 11, 2019, 08:38:08 am
I am sure you are correct as to the ruling but the answer being seeked out is where do we go from here to correct this very flawed system to handle these types of incidents? It is near impossible to get everything on film or crystal clear film from phones or even these film services teams hire and you cannot ensure you will have refs or coaches or fans of integrity there to do what is right or fair or just simply following protocol. The principal is now the system is flawed and broken and it needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 11, 2019, 08:50:40 am
Good luck with that. I don't believe the system is nearly as flawed as what you are claiming. That is the first time I have ever seen the incident personally. The rule has always been continuous film and this is not something that was recently implemented. There is a reason for this being required and it makes perfect sense to me.The refs stance at the end of the game was they did not see the start of the incident but, did obviously catch the aftermath. As a coach I have always been told that I cannot tell a ref what they seen or did not see. I don't think anyone said how bad the issue was or was not. I think the point Zebra had was that he expected more based on the way it was described prior to seeing the video.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: SeqEagleFan on October 11, 2019, 10:52:17 am
Good luck with that. I don't believe the system is nearly as flawed as what you are claiming. That is the first time I have ever seen the incident personally. The rule has always been continuous film and this is not something that was recently implemented. There is a reason for this being required and it makes perfect sense to me.The refs stance at the end of the game was they did not see the start of the incident but, did obviously catch the aftermath. As a coach I have always been told that I cannot tell a ref what they seen or did not see. I don't think anyone said how bad the issue was or was not. I think the point Zebra had was that he expected more based on the way it was described prior to seeing the video.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 11, 2019, 06:04:28 pm
Congratulations you are the 44th person to comment on this post! Silence does not mean that they are not doing their jobs. As for the Director of Officials I do not think that INFC could have a better person in that position personally.  I think it is awesome that you have decided to comment with your thoughts. All "chippiness" aside though this issue has been handled and it is now done as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Literary_Cemetary on October 11, 2019, 09:50:00 pm
1.The Hilldale/BK film is telling and the Hilldale players involved, their actions are egregious. Their actions were never addressed by the coaches and that's troubling.

2. SeqEagleFan, I think the word you're looking for here is "principle."

3. I'd also bet a week's pay that most of the weekly complainers here have a) never officiated any sort of youth sport, b) never taken an officials class in any capacity - in person or online, c) wouldn't survive one youth game as an official.

4. Instead of complaining about the officials and talking about "principals" get you some stripes and try your hand at it. Otherwise, your job is to coach or spectate.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: clark13 on October 12, 2019, 07:49:56 am
Listen, unless you are part of the 4th grade Hilldale team, you have no idea what was and wasn't addressed, and that is troubling.  Guys listen as much as y'all want to keep this alive and going it's over move in. We have spoke with the INFC, and what's done is done. Thanks to all concerned and please focus on the remainder of your season and good luck moving forward.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Literary_Cemetary on October 17, 2019, 03:18:26 pm
Ok Dad.

How many plays/quarters/weeks or personal fouls does it take one to address egregious behavior??

It's great that it's been handled and that closure has come about, but the original post was about a game in September and the behavior continued into consecutive weeks against multiple opponents.

Good luck to you moving forward as well.
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: SeqEagleFan on October 20, 2019, 12:01:22 pm
The bottom line here was that what the refs said they saw and told Seq head coach they saw and were recording it and that they were reporting it and did not do it is a valid complaint on integrity and principals. The point is to make this system better; players, coaches, parents shouldn't have to worry about whether someone's going to honor their word or not and there should be a procedure and policy in place to help ensure this sort of thing doesn't transpire. It has been proposed that a hard copy of incident reports be on hand at all games by refs, coaches and team moms with carbon copies that are too be filled out by refs and signed by both head coaches, poss players when said incidences occur and each coach gets a carbon copy and ref gets original to file the report..in case they do not then the coaches have copies. If we have to get elementary here to have simple protocol followed then so be it
Title: Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
Post by: Shaffer5 on October 20, 2019, 02:35:52 pm
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