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Football => 6th Grade => Topic started by: guest4406 on November 18, 2017, 09:32:50 pm

Title: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 18, 2017, 09:32:50 pm
It is a great sadness to hear of young men taking trash talking to a new level. There were several boys on EnFuego saying horrible things to the Dirty South boys. #8 you should be ashamed of yourself specifically. Telling a boy who’s father died when he was a baby that, “your mother should go kill herself,” is vile and disgusting. Hopefully the coaches take this seriously and don’t allow this young man to play tomorrow. It’s the job of the coaches to make sure your boys are held accountable for their actions. There were several other disgusting comments made by other players of En Fiego that fall right in line with that last comment as well.
It is a championship game, yes, but you need to hold your players accountable and that should NOT be allowed... there is NO EXCUSE.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4407 on November 18, 2017, 10:36:49 pm
But its okay for a parent for Dirty South to wish a kid on En Fuego would get hit hard enough to not get back up??? That's real classy.......and I'm pretty sure Dirty South had a kid ejected for language and also had some helmet throwing going on. These are BOYS - in a physical and competitive sport! If you can't take the heat, maybe it's not the right sport for you. Something to think about.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: bruin58 on November 18, 2017, 10:45:29 pm
A remark made by a parent is different then some kid talking trash during the handshake because he thinks him and his teammates are the greatest thing since sliced bread. En fuego played a great game but we’re definately poor winners. Maybe they get it from the parent that for offended by the previous comment.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4407 on November 18, 2017, 10:55:47 pm
Just take your loss and go out and try to win the rest of your games. Shouldn't let a 12 year old get under your skin. As for the mouthy parent on Dirty South - they ended up with a big helping of karma for wishimg ill will on a kid. It's a game - it's never one sided - several boys on your team were trash talking too - maybe they learned it from you??? ✌🏾
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4410 on November 18, 2017, 11:50:57 pm
I know for a fact that the En Fuego player mentioned above did not make that or ANY comment remotely resembling it, and shame on you for singling out a 6th grader on a forum such as this.  The post should be edited immediately. 

There were NUMEROUS comments made by the Dirty South players to the En Fuego players while on the field.  More than any other game?  Maybe not, but let’s not pretend that either team are perfect angels.  There were numerous dirty plays by the Dirty South team that put En Fuego on defense and into a protective mode.  I’m not going to single out a player by number, as I feel that is completely inappropriate for any public forum, but I’m sure we all know the Dirty South player that should have been ejected from that game much earlier, and in my opinion, should be banned from the league.  Anyone that purposely attempts to injure another player, multiple times in a single game, should not be allowed to play.  The ejection for saying FU to an En Fuego player was the least of his offenses.  Let’s just also add the helmet throwing by multiple Dirty South players to end the game.  Great examples of sportsmanship there.

Edit:
I'm just curious, was the number that is being accused read off the jersey or helmet?  It was just brought to my attention that there are players with helmet numbers that do not match jersey numbers since En Fuego is made up of multiple NE Oklahoma teams.

Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 19, 2017, 06:17:38 am
The eff bomb that was dropped by one of our players was ejected. He was taken care of, wasn’t he? Wasn’t he held accountable? Yes, he was. The helmet throwing by one child was immediately corrected by our coaches. It was probably in response to the nasty remarks like, “you should ____ your Moms ____.” And the previously mentioned remark. Does that excuse helmet throwing? No, because we are teaching our boys to play with class in the face of that trash. That young man is being taught a life lesson with guidance. That can only come without denial that it is an issue. Saying “their boys, it’s football...” YOU are part of the problem. It is inexcusable PERIOD. Being in denial doesn’t make it not true.
Wanting our boys to hit and hit hard... THAT is Football. I’m not even going to go into the parents and their teenagers in the stands. This is about the boys on the field. If you are in denial and don’t correct the situation and want to waste your energy DEFLECTING instead of acknowledging.... glad my sons aren’t on that team because you are doing them no justice. We would rather our boys lose with dignity or learn from their mistakes than win like that.
As far as #s.... it was probably Jersey. Not that it matters since your boys are obviously angels and could never make a mistake that needs correcting. God bless your boys.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest1302 on November 19, 2017, 07:08:00 am
I am the asst coach that was approached after the game last night, by what I can only assume is the mother writing on this page. I am very good friends with coach Kyle and know coach Chad farely well. They can back me on my credibility. I have visited with both coaches after the game, by no means was either team perfect in the way they acted on the field or fans in the stands. As for the mother that approached me after the game I did as I told you and addressed the issue with the player you accused. Well it wasn’t him #8 as you said, I did find out which kid said it and again I addressed it with the head coach, dad and player all together. The player on our team told us he said something different that didn’t include death in anyway. I know in most cases there are two side to every story and the truth in between.  I am sorry for the words said to the young man that lost a parent at such a young age. The main thing that I want out of this message is for you to know that I addressed it with the player like I said I would, and for you to know that #8 was not the player. I have been the coach and very good friend of the family for #8 player for over 4 years now. The family is a upstanding family and when that kid told me and looked me in the eye and said he didnt say that, I believe him. Good luck to the dirtysouth team today, you have two great guys coaching you and I hope you win them all today.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4409 on November 19, 2017, 08:05:41 am
The eff bomb that was dropped by one of our players was ejected. He was taken care of, wasn’t he? Wasn’t he held accountable? Yes, he was. The helmet throwing by one child was immediately corrected by our coaches. It was probably in response to the nasty remarks like, “you should ____ your Moms ____.” And the previously mentioned remark. Does that excuse helmet throwing? No, because we are teaching our boys to play with class in the face of that trash. That young man is being taught a life lesson with guidance. That can only come without denial that it is an issue. Saying “their boys, it’s football...” YOU are part of the problem. It is inexcusable PERIOD. Being in denial doesn’t make it not true.
Wanting our boys to hit and hit hard... THAT is Football. I’m not even going to go into the parents and their teenagers in the stands. This is about the boys on the field. If you are in denial and don’t correct the situation and want to waste your energy DEFLECTING instead of acknowledging.... glad my sons aren’t on that team because you are doing them no justice. We would rather our boys lose with dignity or learn from their mistakes than win like that.
As far as #s.... it was probably Jersey. Not that it matters since your boys are obviously angels and could never make a mistake that needs correcting. God bless your boys.

The helmet throwing happened before the player even entered the handshake line. So it was not in response to anything said by En Fuego.  I hope the player that was thrown into the wall by the dirty south player is ok. Ive been praying for him all night. Shame on the refs for not ejecting that player last night.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 19, 2017, 08:30:46 am
The refs and the coaches from both teams all agreed that the player that ran into the wall was not intentional. That is why he was not ejected.
Helmet throwing is not the issue. But, continue to deflect. The real ISSUE is the words spoken that are vile and disgusting. Our boy who said eff you was held accountable. The one who said something far more disgusting has not been held accountable. And it is apparent that it probably won’t happen. Which is pathetic. What it boils down to is that it was a good, hard fought game however those words are not acceptable and it’s time to be a parent. You never know what words will hurt another child.... it’s bullying. You are teaching your boys that they can do that even though they have no idea how devastating those words are to another child... then they grow up to be delinquents with no concept of consequences. If this was my child who had said it, even if he had never done it before, damned sure it would be handled because that is my job. We are raising the future.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 19, 2017, 09:09:20 am
Thank you for your response to the issue. This is not the mother of the boy it was said to, this is a mother that loves them as if they all were mine. His mother is not on this forum. This mother is standing up for what is right.
The boy this was said to, (and we have since found out that it was not the only comment of this nature which is very concerning,) also comes from a very upstanding family. He isn’t going to confuse the number and it isn’t in his nature to lie. He knows the other #8 very well and knows that child would never say that to him. Further more, he wasn’t the only kid who heard it!!!
If a child is ejected for dropping the eff bomb, how can another be allowed to play after saying something that hurtful? Obviously, you are the coach and the responsibility lies on you to hold your player accountable. Me as a parent, my child would not play, no matter how important Football is to us, our boys’ lesson on what is acceptable is more important. It is an honor to be on that field.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4407 on November 19, 2017, 09:21:58 am
Geez get over it!!! Do you expect the coach and parents to shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails for saying what he did? How do you even know that it's not being handled??? What's done is done and what's said is said. We could state the same argument that the coaches and parents should hold your team member that dropped f bomb accountable  - is the ref ejecting him for a few remaining minutes of the game fair punishment? It's just not that serious - my boy has heard worse in his football career and responds with an appropriate comeback or proves it on the field - doesn't cry to mommy! Maybe the kids that are overly sensitive should join the band???? Good grief!!!!!
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 19, 2017, 11:11:41 am
Oh Felicia. Bless your heart. Thank you for proving my point. Children who are allowed to get away with being a bully turn into trolling bully adults. It must be your child that said these things....or will say things like that because kids learn by example... be humble and kind. You are exactly what is wrong with this world.
Thank you to the coach who responded with respect and acknowledgment of the issue without deflecting, bullying or disregard for a child’s feelings who lost a parent. How dare that boy have feelings, right? No, he has a huge heart and he is learning that there are hateful, nasty bullies in this world that grow up to be you. Again, this is about correcting wrong behavior. There is right and there is wrong. Your hateful comments don’t change those facts.
#byefelicia
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4409 on November 19, 2017, 11:19:59 am
Dirty south is exactly as it’s name entails. Dirty. They played a dirty game and the fans in the stands yelled Dirty and vile comments towards our players. This however did not help them in the long run. This is definitely a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Take care of your boys mouths and we were handle ours. As the coach mentioned above you chose to ignore the situation was handled. Congrats to En Fuego on the accomplishment of making it to the Championship. That seems to be overshadowed by this post.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4409 on November 19, 2017, 11:30:27 am
You coming on this forum and blasting #8 who wasn’t even the player is bullying itself.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4410 on November 19, 2017, 12:54:54 pm
As state by the coach above, the young man the made a comment in the handshake line, his father, and the head coach, have been made aware of the situation and it has been addressed.  The comment made in the handshake line, which was overheard by two coaches and other En Fuego boys was not the comment that was stated in the first post of this thread, nor even remotely close to that.  It was closer to the comment the same user posted further down in this thread.  I agree, even THAT comment in unacceptable, and as stated it has been addresses.  My issue here is the blatant libel of calling out a player by number and team on a public forum.  Not just in this thread, but another as well. That is UNACCEPTABLE by anyone and will be addressed with forum moderators and INFC staff.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4410 on November 19, 2017, 01:17:51 pm
The refs and the coaches from both teams all agreed that the player that ran into the wall was not intentional. That is why he was not ejected.

The ruling that "INITIAL contact was made while in play" and THEN the Dirty South player purposely shoved the En Fuego player head first into the unprotected concrete wall after that player was already in the black on the sidelines WAS intentional.  Why that player was not then, nor after subsequent blatant personal fouls, ejected earlier in the game is beyond me.  And no, coaches from both teams do not agree on the ruling.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4406 on November 19, 2017, 03:07:18 pm
Sorry that you are upset that the number is posted. It is the number on the jersey of the boy that made the comment associated with the number. Please take note a number was not posted with the second comment that was overheard by coaches and other players because that is not the comment being referred to in the OP! It was obviously NOT overheard by a coach. It was said straight in the face of a little boy who KNOWS the number he saw. It can’t be changed into another player. Sorry. This is not libel, it is a very raw truth spoken from a heartbroken boy.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4410 on November 19, 2017, 09:04:33 pm
Because you where there and overheard the entire conversation, right, I forgot.  And yes, it is THE VERY definition of libel, the definition that is upheld in the court of law.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4411 on November 20, 2017, 12:48:56 pm
I wouldnt even bother with this lady cause she sounds to ignorant to even grasp what you are saying. We played Dirty South as well this weekend. Our boys heard horrible language as well. I wont repeat what was said cause its football and these are boys but lets not call one out while you are just as guily. I would not be proud of that at all. To come on this forum and blast a team for the actions of maybe 1 or 2 and even that is suspect. You are the problem here. Shame on you. Shame on the parents in the stands for yelling innapropiate things to our players and what sounds like En Fuego players as well. This team should be banned in future tournaments.
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest4412 on November 20, 2017, 01:25:31 pm
Unfortunately, your facts are wrong.  I am sorry for the boy and what he thinks he heard or saw.  It was NOT what he thinks he heard or saw.  I, first hand, heard what a number of the Dirty South boys said during this tournament.  Let me say, you and your boys should not be throwing accusations.   Clearly, you are standing up for something that didn’t happen.  Time to move onto another crusade you so badly need to fight. 
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest1660 on November 20, 2017, 04:07:30 pm
Just wanted to chime in here real quick. I don't know anything about this game in question. But I can tell you, as an Assistant Coach for Perkins Bandits, En Fuego players played with passion for sure, but were never even close to out of line in our game. Even in a very hard fought championship game defeat. As a matter of fact, #58 played a great game, making tackles everywhere & then helping our players up. Don't see that everywhere & it stood out to me. Good young man right there, parents should be proud!
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest2531 on November 20, 2017, 04:38:15 pm
Thank you for saying that. We are incredibly proud of him. Congrats on your win! You have a great team!
Title: Re: Dirty South vs En fuego- sooner classics
Post by: guest1660 on November 20, 2017, 04:48:13 pm
Awesome, so glad you're on here 58Mom! I was really hoping to find him & tell you after the game, but it was such a whirlwind. He's a GREAT player & fantastic kid, that was very apparent. Again, you should be very proud! This football stuff doesn't go much further than some fun while they're young for these boys, but that stuff right there is for life.

God bless!