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Skiatook Bulldogs
« on: September 08, 2022, 03:46:23 pm »
After last season and all of the forfeits due to ineligible players/draft, one would think that the Bulldogs learned their lesson. After watching the game live and talking to other Skiatook Parents we decided to look at the game tape from the game with Edmond Huskies white. This is what we know; we had 26-29 players with some hurt. We had 57 total plays  and three kids that did not get their minimum 7 plays. #16, #35, and #61 did not appear to get their plays. I know we went to one team so that we did not have last years issues but come on. Every kid needs to get a chance.

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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2022, 04:05:28 pm »
Every kid on Skiatook got the minimum plays and more.  Please donít start with the unnecessary drama and trying to knit-pick.  Incase you were unaware special teams plays also count as plays. Who are you Bulldog32? 

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2022, 04:12:16 pm »
I know how the play minimum works, and after last season where we worked so hard to get around the system and win a championship, and failed. It concerns me that we would do it again. Might want to check the game film and make sure you are correct coach.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2022, 04:38:30 pm »
Our HC has a good system to get all players in with a coach assigned specifically to that and we make sure everyone gets their chance in games as well as in practice.  I appreciate your concern, and please come to me with any and all issues.  Phone line is always open and if you honestly are a Skiatook parent of a player on our team Please feel free to talk to any of us coaches at practice.  We care about all of our players and I think we are very fair, I know Iím doing my best. Iíll send you my number privately. 

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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2022, 07:53:57 pm »
I know these coaches. They are good dudes. Iím sure they have a system like us that have multiple coaches divide the team up with play count sheets and if someone needs plays itís addressed. Wouldnít air that out here unless your goal is to get the team disqualified
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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2022, 09:24:46 am »
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2022, 09:40:08 am »
I don't know anything about this situation from last year, but many parents have no clue how hard the coaches work to balance plays. Especially on teams with 29-30 players. Add in, at least 4-5 players who have little to no desire to be playing football. Their parents made them join the team. What some parents also don't see is, making a kid play takes 7+ plays per game away from kids who are there trying and maybe just haven't put it all together yet. Put 3-4 unwilling kids out there and that's 21-28 plays taken from kids who give effort in practice and truly want to learn and be there.

Give the coaches a little week 1 grace. Before the first game, we have 3 weeks in pads (roughly 9 practices) to integrate kids who've never played a competitive sport in their life and try to find a good position fit for them. All of this while we try to piece together the other 20 kids who've played before and have been working their butts off in the off-season to try to earn a new spot on the field. In 6th grade, several kids have been playing for 2-3 years. The team they're about to play also has 15-20 kids who've been playing for 2-3 years and are working to assault any kid on the field who lines up against them. This isn't 2nd grade. Some of these 11-13 year old players are men.

A truly concerned parent would talk to the HC in person or at least have enough spine to reach out to them directly. A forum post is a cop out.

Sidebar about minimum plays:
In 6-7 grade there shouldn't be minimum plays. These kids need to be prepared for school ball, where there are no minimums. The kids who are most athletic and physical will play. That isn't to say kids won't work their way in to playing time. They will eventually hit puberty and could end up being really good players, but giving them minimum plays when they're in the 6-7 grade isn't what keeps them playing. What keeps them playing is a sense of community on the team, coaches investing in them and parents who give them a real perspective. Football is one of the only sports where they won't get cut in MS/HS. Kids can find a place to belong and the comradery of a team, even if they don't ever see the playing field during a game. I've heard of some of the larger 6A schools having 80-90 kids on the 8th grade team. Most of them split in to 2 squads A and B. That's 40-45 kids competing on each squad. Maybe 25 of them on each squad will see playing time in 8th grade games.

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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2022, 10:37:35 am »
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The most truthful thing I have seen on the forum.
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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2022, 10:43:17 am »
Agreed. Well said.

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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2022, 11:53:07 am »
I don't know anything about this situation from last year, but many parents have no clue how hard the coaches work to balance plays. Especially on teams with 29-30 players. Add in, at least 4-5 players who have little to no desire to be playing football. Their parents made them join the team. What some parents also don't see is, making a kid play takes 7+ plays per game away from kids who are there trying and maybe just haven't put it all together yet. Put 3-4 unwilling kids out there and that's 21-28 plays taken from kids who give effort in practice and truly want to learn and be there.

Give the coaches a little week 1 grace. Before the first game, we have 3 weeks in pads (roughly 9 practices) to integrate kids who've never played a competitive sport in their life and try to find a good position fit for them. All of this while we try to piece together the other 20 kids who've played before and have been working their butts off in the off-season to try to earn a new spot on the field. In 6th grade, several kids have been playing for 2-3 years. The team they're about to play also has 15-20 kids who've been playing for 2-3 years and are working to assault any kid on the field who lines up against them. This isn't 2nd grade. Some of these 11-13 year old players are men.

A truly concerned parent would talk to the HC in person or at least have enough spine to reach out to them directly. A forum post is a cop out.

Sidebar about minimum plays:
In 6-7 grade there shouldn't be minimum plays. These kids need to be prepared for school ball, where there are no minimums. The kids who are most athletic and physical will play. That isn't to say kids won't work their way in to playing time. They will eventually hit puberty and could end up being really good players, but giving them minimum plays when they're in the 6-7 grade isn't what keeps them playing. What keeps them playing is a sense of community on the team, coaches investing in them and parents who give them a real perspective. Football is one of the only sports where they won't get cut in MS/HS. Kids can find a place to belong and the comradery of a team, even if they don't ever see the playing field during a game. I've heard of some of the larger 6A schools having 80-90 kids on the 8th grade team. Most of them split in to 2 squads A and B. That's 40-45 kids competing on each squad. Maybe 25 of them on each squad will see playing time in 8th grade games.

very well said !!!!
the INFC has the play count rules for a reason. to insure everyone who signed up gets to at least play.
i personally do not agree with it, but it is the rules in the league we play in.
there are other leagues without play counts or weight limits.
the biggest issue with youth football is THE PARENTS. quit projecting your own desires upon these young men.
if the parent would be honest and take off the rose colored glasses they would see who wants to play and who doesnt. who is not that good but is working to get better and those who are being made to play.
all of us coaches are doing everything possible to help your child get better and to learn and love this game.
but for heavens sake if you have to watch your childs game with the sole purpose of making sure he got his correct amount of plays then maybe he dont need to be playing.
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Re: Skiatook Bulldogs
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2022, 12:06:15 pm »
It's all the mama drama ( Karen's)
And all the daddy ball that tries to live their life through their kid knowing they didn't see the field until senior night head coach put them in for about 30 seconds pulled them right back out so now they think there kid should be on the field at all times because they paid a program fee .. lol
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