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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2018, 12:06:09 pm »
Bottoms line hand select kids then just enter the sooner classic  :)
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2018, 12:24:58 pm »
When will a decision be made? Because we was told all board meeting usually can only happen on Wednesday. This decision is big! Because Muskogee 6th grade had already made plans to not play in the INFC next year. If the INFC is willing to just chop this up admit they made mistakes with handling things and allow things to go back the way they was with Muskogee keeping wins, I know we would be willing to sign back up next season. But as of right now I don’t think Muskogee will have a 7th grade team in this league.

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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2018, 12:46:19 pm »
food for thought, maybe just maybe INFC should consider just allowing the person to play where the child goes to school?  done deal no other option, it is just like the OSSAA does.  you go to Bixby, union, jenks you play for them.  the recruiting territory allows so much manipulation.  I do understand that TYAA does have to have a recruiting territory because Tulsa has a large number of schools, but there has to be a better way to organize this "recruiting territory" than what is going on now.   Also there should be no additional recruiting territories for schools within the INFC. Bixby has Bixby, Muskogee has Muskogee etc etc etc, why add in a territory like Tahlequah to a school that is already 6a?? there has to be a better way.

HB I have not heard if there is a decision that is brought down, but maybe it will be what you say INFC just admit the recruiting territory needs to be addressed and just let this year be what it is!
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2018, 01:39:26 pm »
I do agree that 6A schools should have no need for recruiting terroritries outside of their school district, but if that is the case then it would be hard to have teams in every grade every year because of all the other leagues. I mean take Muskogee for instance, they have another team playing in another league which isn’t part of the Muskogee Football Organization in the INFC So they have no control on rules or forcing kids to play in INFC so those recruiting grounds in my opinion should be expanded. I know Catoosa has had to apply for recruiting grounds in the past and pull from other school not in the INFC, but are local to us like Inola. Those years really helped us bring together some teams and they weren’t all star teams by any means. The recruiting terroritories actually help the smaller schools.

I think everyone needs to be educated better on what is allowed in recruiting and what isn’t. Sometimes it’s not just for star athletes. Sometimes it’s just to get a team together. A great example was this year Catoosa and Verdigris 6th Grade almost had to combine teams because both were really low on numbers and yes we would have got the right “paperwork” together to make it legit, but both teams found just enough kids in their school to form a team and decided not to, but it could have easily went the other direction and both teams ended with 9 kids and we can’t play our kids up because after 6th Grade is school ball so we would have had to sit out this year if we wouldn’t have been able to combine in that situation.

If the kid lived in TYAA recruiting grounds and started with them then after the season started he moved to Jenks then TYAA should not be forced to forfeit their games. They did nothing wrong in that instance, but like I said I don’t know he whole story. This isn’t the first time this has happened to CURTDOGG, his TYAA Red team in 6th Grade had to forfeit 3-4 games because of a kid going to another school while playing for him so I’m sure he got everything worked out before hand so he didn’t have to deal with that situation again. At least I would think so.
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2018, 01:54:07 pm »
Most likely the parents knew before the season started where their kid was going to go to school and if they moved prior to the season at anytime or shall I say prior to school starting at anytime then they’re playing for the wrong team and should be playing for Jenks.

The kids are the only ones who will lose out here, I’m just ready to play some ball this weekend! Last home game for my 6th Grade group with me so I rather just focus on that. Good luck to everyone this weekend and whatever decision is made by this I hope Muskogee is taken into consideration as well. I know circumstances are different, but what makes a league great is when they can maintain a balance across the board and make sure everyone is on the same level without being bias.
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2018, 02:06:01 pm »
Well coming from a great source Tyaa will win the protest everything seem to be legit.

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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2018, 08:05:17 pm »
I got the chance to look over the paperwork on Muskogee and Tyaa and ut appears that neither had intent. Nothinh was hid from muskogee side the kid address was listed. Norhing hid from TYAA side, if the were deliberately breaking the rules why on earth would they even allow the kid to suit up for thw Jenks game knowing he would be
e pointed out. Thats makes no sense.
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2018, 08:25:40 pm »
Somebody needs to watch The Mighty Ducks.

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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2018, 09:43:37 pm »
The rules make  it easy to manipulate. For instance my wife and i are splitting up next summer. I am moving in with honey badger and i have all “intent” of attending Muskogee schools. After season starts I’m getting back with my wife and my son will go to bixby. No problem right???????  He plays for the gee
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2018, 10:00:18 pm »
Intent shouldn’t play a part in this stuff.  If a team or club has a player/players that doesn’t conform to the leagues rules without a release, then punishment should be levied.

my drivers liscense expires and I forget to renew it and get pulled over by a cop....doesn’t matter my intent, I’m getting a ticket.

I’m with @league on this one, intent is easy to manipulate.
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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2018, 12:18:49 am »
all these  newbies popping up. smh.  I have to watch how I address this issue.  Jenks got the FEDS  investigating everybody. cant never seem to make it to the playoffs but can tell you every kid that got holes in his socks.
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2018, 12:38:07 am »
@league, I would say if you enrolled him in Muskogee school then after season starts your wife lets you back in the house I think he should still be able to play with Muskogee. Bottom line from the evidence that I've seen 1st hand,  TYAA will undoubtedly win this protest.  Jenks Lost that churchs money on this one. But hey 1 outta two aint bad.
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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2018, 07:50:47 am »
Raider so are you saying Jenks was part of the Muskogee protest?

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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2018, 08:27:49 am »
Intent shouldn’t play a part in this stuff.  If a team or club has a player/players that doesn’t conform to the leagues rules without a release, then punishment should be levied.

my drivers liscense expires and I forget to renew it and get pulled over by a cop....doesn’t matter my intent, I’m getting a ticket.

I’m with @league on this one, intent is easy to manipulate.

Yeah, but if you don’t have your insurance verification in your car and you get a ticket for no insurance, it gets dismissed if you come in and show you have insurance. This “rules must be followed” crap is not universally true in every circumstance. This is youth football. It’s not life and death. Although you could argue that it could be depending on the kids involved. Let’s say a kid, through no fault of his own, gets caught up in some Bs involving adults. He can’t play again, then instead of being at practice he’s out getting into trouble, and then he’s in a life of crime.  One day, as he’s serving 20 to life, an A&E film crew comes to his penitentiary and asks “Where did it all go wrong?” He reflects a moment and finally says, “Some jackass youth coach 10 years ago thought he would coddle his kid a little more by filing a football protest, and nobody gave me the benefit of the doubt, and here I am.” That May sound far fetched but is it really? Good job fellas. 

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Re: Jenks/TYAA Issue?
« Reply #29 on: October 19, 2018, 09:02:23 am »
Intent shouldn’t play a part in this stuff.  If a team or club has a player/players that doesn’t conform to the leagues rules without a release, then punishment should be levied.

my drivers liscense expires and I forget to renew it and get pulled over by a cop....doesn’t matter my intent, I’m getting a ticket.

I’m with @league on this one, intent is easy to manipulate.

Yeah, but if you don’t have your insurance verification in your car and you get a ticket for no insurance, it gets dismissed if you come in and show you have insurance. This “rules must be followed” crap is not universally true in every circumstance. This is youth football. It’s not life and death. Although you could argue that it could be depending on the kids involved. Let’s say a kid, through no fault of his own, gets caught up in some Bs involving adults. He can’t play again, then instead of being at practice he’s out getting into trouble, and then he’s in a life of crime.  One day, as he’s serving 20 to life, an A&E film crew comes to his penitentiary and asks “Where did it all go wrong?” He reflects a moment and finally says, “Some jackass youth coach 10 years ago thought he would coddle his kid a little more by filing a football protest, and nobody gave me the benefit of the doubt, and here I am.” That May sound far fetched but is it really? Good job fellas.

That’s one way to look at it but with the way our kids are being raised today that’s not what his story is going to be… Mostly same scenario as you posted other than TYAA gets off the hook. “Where did it all go wrong?” He reflects a moment and says, “10 years ago a coach told me that I didn’t have to play by the rules as they were for those who didn’t know how to beat the system; from that moment I never felt as if the rules applied to me.”