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Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« on: October 05, 2019, 04:36:30 pm »
I have read on here a lot but never wanted a post but I had to make a name after the game today... I read on here about Hilldale and how they played dirty. The game today against us was a joke. #13 did nothing but take cheap shots after the whistle and I know for sure he was a coaches kid because she was walking out of the gate with him. He got several flags thrown on him. At what point is INFC going to kick this kid out. The best part is when their coaches yell at him he starts yelling at them. There has to be some accountability and this kid needs to be done for the year. Everyone saw all of the missed calls going against them by the refs but this kid was not a part of most plays. It's ridiculous that he cannot do his job and is going to take CHEAP SHOTS ON MY KID when he is walking away after the whistle. Hilldale needs to step up and get rid of this bad attitude. I would not have said anything but after his number being in the complaint in ask the refs somethen had to be said about this. The rest of the kids were good that I saw. #33 and #8 are awesome ball players. The coaches were chewing on this boy and pulled him off the field but this is an attitude issues and it starts at home.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2019, 05:15:02 pm »
Yea 13 is my child and yes he made some very BAD decisions today. But 1st please be aware that I am only responding to this post because you as an adult, should not be attacking a child. His poor decision making is being addressed at home as we speak. I do sincerely apologize for his behavior. It is completely unacceptable. As far as him yelling back at the coaches that did not happen. Him leaving the game with me also did not happen. Which brings me to my next point, either you are a parent in the stands which means you couldn’t hear anything from our sidelines or you are a coach on the field, at which point you have access to the team roster with my name and phone number. A simple text or call would have been nice. As far as his number being brought up in the complaint on the forum, if you would have read it all you would have not that the two players mentioned in that post were incorrect. Both teams posted those were not the players. As far as Hilldale being dirty, that is not our intentions. We had my son act dumb today and 2 different players act the same last week. As of now that is the only problems I have heard. Once again I am truly sorry for his actions and he is being punished by me. Good luck to y’all the remainder of the season and I hope for the best for y’all. If you feel the need to speak to me about this please feel free to pm me and I will get you my number.
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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 05:20:08 pm »
It takes a real grown man to get on here and talk **** about a 10 year old kid. He is 4 ft and 55 pounds, he can’t kill a fly. Some flags were a joke and some he did and we pulled him off the field. He is a good kid and goes hard. There is no excuse for after the whistle junk. He was pulled and talked to but let’s not get carried away with dirty player and all that. If you would like to talk about this send me a message and I will be glad to give ya my number. This is ridiculous. Just because all the flags were thrown at Hilldale does not means they were the only guilty party. As far as the ask the ref post, watch the film and you will see the truth about that, not the version from jaded parents trying to go onto the field.


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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2019, 07:54:43 pm »
This week he had 5 personal fouls and I saw 2-3 missed. Just throwing that out there.

I didn’t see last weeks game. Did he have any last week?

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2019, 09:08:02 pm »
No he had zero penalties last week. But yes like I said bad decisions this week.
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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2019, 11:22:35 am »
It takes a real grown man to get on here and talk **** about a 10 year old kid. He is 4 ft and 55 pounds, he can’t kill a fly. Some flags were a joke and some he did and we pulled him off the field. He is a good kid and goes hard. There is no excuse for after the whistle junk. He was pulled and talked to but let’s not get carried away with dirty player and all that. If you would like to talk about this send me a message and I will be glad to give ya my number. This is ridiculous. Just because all the flags were thrown at Hilldale does not means they were the only guilty party. As far as the ask the ref post, watch the film and you will see the truth about that, not the version from jaded parents trying to go onto the field.


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Our coaches did see the film, and used what they saw to prepare well for the game on Saturday.  I'm not calling anyone out, but at this level (10 yo boys) is it not reasonable to assume that coaching could be the culprit?  Last weekend -  Your #33 behaved in a similar fashion - late hits, helmet to helmet contact, punching, shoving down players away from the ball and/or after the play.  Those types of very deliberate actions have nothing to do with athleticism, desire to win, etc.  Those are "mature" character issues, and in my opinion (which admittedly doesn't mean much) have be coming from an adult.   Marcovics8 - You may not like the term "dirty", but both games (v. Sequoyah on 9/28, and v. Bishop Kelley on 10/5)  are evidence of just that - dirty football.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2019, 05:12:14 pm »
Just so I understand this, you are insinuating that we teach the boys to behave that way, not that a normal 10 year old may act that way on their own? You are correct nobody wants to be called dirty, and I can reassure you that this will be corrected. Myself and the other two coaches on this team have been with this squad since the boys were in kindergarten. We have never once prompted any of the boys to play this way. Myself, I have been coaching in the INFC for a long time. This is the 1st time I have been accused of this and I promise I do not teach or condone this at all. Like I sated earlier you can reach out to me at any time to all about this subject. And that is not meant to be a macho Man call out. I simply mean we can speak as adults and resolve the situation. I have the up most respect for the game, it's players, and all the coaches that volunteer their time, but I do not believe that to games out of a season should define the character of my boys.
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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 09:22:31 am »
Just so I understand this, you are insinuating that we teach the boys to behave that way, not that a normal 10 year old may act that way on their own? You are correct nobody wants to be called dirty, and I can reassure you that this will be corrected. Myself and the other two coaches on this team have been with this squad since the boys were in kindergarten. We have never once prompted any of the boys to play this way. Myself, I have been coaching in the INFC for a long time. This is the 1st time I have been accused of this and I promise I do not teach or condone this at all. Like I sated earlier you can reach out to me at any time to all about this subject. And that is not meant to be a macho Man call out. I simply mean we can speak as adults and resolve the situation. I have the up most respect for the game, it's players, and all the coaches that volunteer their time, but I do not believe that to games out of a season should define the character of my boys.

The question I asked was "is it not reasonable to assume that coaching could be the culprit?", because after several years in this league - I've never seen anything like what I saw Saturday.   If it's not directly encouraged by your coaching staff, what is it?  Have you just lost control of a bunch of 4th graders?  For two weekends in a row (note:  I have not watched film from your previous games to know if this is an ongoing issue), key players on your team openly targeted opposing players, many times off the ball or after the play.  I suppose a 10 year-old could act that way on their own - Vontaze Burfict probably did - but that isn't likely.  Randomly shoving a player down from behind, throwing another player down by their face-mask, deliberate helmet to helmet contact, throwing punches, etc. are just punk moves; and there's no room for that in youth football.  The actions of your players are perfect examples of why so many athletes don't return for another season, or don't play at all; and that's a shame.  Lastly - Coach- like it or not, this league views Hilldale as "dirty".  That's just the truth.  Whose fault is that?

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2019, 11:07:34 am »
You know I changed my view on this subject. I will take all blame for what happened. And we will call it coaching. Also if the league wants to view us as a dirty team so be it. But in the future let's keep it like this back and forth here, blame the adults and don't attack the boys. Thanks and have a nice day.
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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2019, 11:39:01 am »
When I posted this I was upset, but went about it wrong. As a coach I should just go about it better. I watched tape of Hilldale on several games and I don't think they are dirty. I did watch the game from last week and their boys were being held, cheap shots on them and for some reason I guess something happened at the end of the game and an Eagle parent wants to hold onto that. I am not and will not promote cheap shots but if refs let things go then kids are human and will eventually snap. Sure this kid #13 made a lot of bad choices in this game but it is correctable. I've talked to coaches that have coached against these Hilldale coaches and from what I understand it has been the same guys for several years. I will not make excuses for bad plays but it was probably just a bad game. I wish Hilldale nothing but the best this week and the rest of the season. Hope to play you guys again in the future.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2019, 11:42:25 am »
 Lastly - Coach- like it or not, this league views Hilldale as "dirty".  That's just the truth.  Whose fault is that?
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Just looking for some clarification on this statement... Are you considered "The League" or did we vote you as a statesman for the league in some meeting that I am not privy too? When you say Hilldale it appears as though you are speaking about our entire club... Just curious because I don't think that is a fair assumption especially being as how you readily admitted in your statement that you were clearly taking what someone else had said about the game prior and not what you had seen with your own eyes.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2019, 11:54:38 am »
I HAVE NOT SEEN 4TH GRADE HILLDALE PLAY SO I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THEM BUT AS FAR AS SAYING HILLDALE AS A WHOLE PROGRAM ALL GRADES INCLUDED I DO HAVE A COMMENT. MY SON PLAYED UP A GRADE AND DID COMPETE AGAINST HILLDALE 3 TIMES (5TH GRADE TEAM NOW) AND THEY WERE WELL COACHED AND NEVER DIRTY SO I BELEIVE THAT TO GROUP A WHOLE PROGRAM TOGETHER IS UNFAIR.
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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2019, 12:01:17 pm »
I HAVE NOT SEEN 4TH GRADE HILLDALE PLAY SO I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THEM BUT AS FAR AS SAYING HILLDALE AS A WHOLE PROGRAM ALL GRADES INCLUDED I DO HAVE A COMMENT. MY SON PLAYED UP A GRADE AND DID COMPETE AGAINST HILLDALE 3 TIMES (5TH GRADE TEAM NOW) AND THEY WERE WELL COACHED AND NEVER DIRTY SO I BELEIVE THAT TO GROUP A WHOLE PROGRAM TOGETHER IS UNFAIR.

Thank you sir! I am the coach of that 5th grade team we share the same respect for those 5th grade Sequoyah boys. Very well coached and fight hard each & every game.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2019, 01:44:02 pm »
I HAVE NOT SEEN 4TH GRADE HILLDALE PLAY SO I HAVE NO COMMENT ON THEM BUT AS FAR AS SAYING HILLDALE AS A WHOLE PROGRAM ALL GRADES INCLUDED I DO HAVE A COMMENT. MY SON PLAYED UP A GRADE AND DID COMPETE AGAINST HILLDALE 3 TIMES (5TH GRADE TEAM NOW) AND THEY WERE WELL COACHED AND NEVER DIRTY SO I BELEIVE THAT TO GROUP A WHOLE PROGRAM TOGETHER IS UNFAIR.

For clarification - My comments, for whatever they're worth, were limited to the 4th-grade team.  I never said anything about the program as a whole.

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Re: Hilldale vs Bishop Kelley
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2019, 12:36:59 pm »
As the HC of the Comets 4th grade squad I have some thoughts that would have admittedly been more "charged" earlier in the week, but "calmer heads prevail" so I will summarize my opinion with a few points:

• Right or wrong - Hilldale's 9/28 film taught us to prepare for "extra-curricular" contact so we did.

• Right or wrong - Hilldale's 10/5 film will teach Berryhill to prepare for the same so they will.

• Justified or not - The complaint, that I absolutely did file with INFC on Monday was more out of frustration at the officiating than the actions of any player.  Boys, after all, will be boys; and this IS football.  The striped adults on the field though have a responsibility to keep players safe; and more should have been done when it was apparent there was an issue.  I fully understand and respect the rules, but how many personal fouls does one player have to have before we might want to consider calling it "unsportsmanlike"?

Enough said.  Moving on.  Hope you guys have a good back half of the season.  We're a team of largely 1st-time players, but things are starting to click and we hope to make a strong statement over the next 3 weekends.