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SpartanPride

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Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« on: October 12, 2018, 08:27:17 am »
As I do a little bit of research on these weekly pick em's, I can't help but notice the drastic difference in W-L record in some of these towns in the INFC. My only experience on how teams are selected is in Bixby where we keep it even and draft back and forth and the top kids go first across the board and then so on an so forth on down... We do get 2 protects each year.

Is this not how it is done everywhere? This is not meant to be a critical post, but I hate to see teams go 0-8 and then kids want to quit football because it is not fun. I've seen it over and over where an average youth athlete turns into a stud after puberty...

Just looking for some opinions or comments on how teams are formed each July where you live...

Good luck this weekend everyone!

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Re: Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2018, 08:48:21 am »
I know in Cville we take what we get! Lol. Quite a few can prolly make that same claim. Dont have the pleasure of choosing from a talent pool of 50-80+ kids.

Here's the list of schools with multiple teams. What are the drastic difference in W/L's that you see from these schools? BA and Owasso? 

Jenks- Maroon 6-0 White 6-0
Owasso- White 6-0 Black 2-4 Red 2-3
Sand Springs- Black 1-5 Gold 0-6
Bixby- Red 4-1 Blue 4-2
BA- Black 6-0 White 6-0 Platinum 3-3 Silver 0-6 Chrome 4-2
Coweta- Black 2-4 Coweta White 2-4
Choctaw- Blue 4-2 Choctaw Gold 2-4
Union- Silver 4-2 Red 2-3 Black 2-4
Tyaa- Red 5-0 Blue 5-1
Norman- Tigers 0-6 Twolves 5-1 (I think it's two separate schools though, Norman and Norman North)
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Re: Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2018, 08:52:18 am »
I think he is referring to BA.  Didn't you have the samething last year in Bixby with 2 strong teams and one weaker one but this year you lost one team so you guys had to add more players on your 2 teams?

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2018, 09:27:44 am »
I have some thoughts on this as well. I will do you one better. I was told by a coach from one of the new schools out West that they came in and don't have recruiting boundaries set for the first year. Now I have no idea if that is true or not but, I was intrigued by the statement. Especially when we can't even recruit Muskogee. I was also told by the parents of a new player that came to us this year that they were "heavily recruited" by a coach from a larger school and when they responded back with where they were from and how they didn't even live close to that area the coach responded with "just say the word and I can make it happen." Again, I wasn't there and I don't know for sure but, that was 2 things I was told. It is what it is but, there is no doubt that we are not all playing by the same rules IMO. I still think this Conference is the best around to get the boys ready for school ball.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2018, 09:32:26 am »
In BA, every player in 3rd grade goes back into the draft except each team get 4 protects. Then they draw numbers for who gets 1st pick, 2nd pick, 3rd pick, etc., etc.. Until all players that was at combine is drafted then they do hat picks for the kids that didn’t go to the combine.

4th thru 7th grade-each team can have 2 protects each year for any new players to the infc. Then they draw by who has the least amount returning players to that team. (Example- one team has 10 returning players, another team has 12 returning players, the 3rd team has 14 returning players.) The first team will pick player(s) until they reach the same number as the team that had 12 players then they both pick until they reach the 3rd team that has 14 players and then they get to join in on the picking and so on till they get to the hat picks again.
I haven’t been in the draft room in this grade but I have been in several in years past. It’s the most cut throat thing that you have ever seen. I have seen fist fights almost break out.
I’m not positive but I believe one of the claremore coaches was in our 3rd grade draft ... not sure who was in the room this past draft.

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2018, 09:42:39 am »
So using what you just stated about BA how is it that BA Black and White are better than the other BA Teams, coaching maybe?

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Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2018, 09:45:20 am »
So using what you just stated about BA how is it that BA Black and White are better than the other BA Teams, coaching maybe?
Coaching, Draft Room and a little bit of luck.
Sometimes it takes just one or two of the right kind if players to change the whole dynamic of a team.
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Re: Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2018, 10:02:15 am »
Waterboy is correct, 1 or 2 players at this age can make a huge difference.

I think all BA teams have good coaching, and players. Sometimes crap happens... injuries etc. We lost our starting RB (from last season) to basketball!? And one of our best lineman for the season to a knee injury. We’ve also had to deal with some injuries that have cost different players games here and there.... no different than anyone else.

I also think it’s tough to spread talent across 5 teams. That being said with our numbers at this grade, having 5 teams maximizes the kids playing time.

I imagine BA Silver is the main question. Silver has a good coach, but they have had to deal with several issues. Their starting QB and RB have yet to play a game. I can’t even imagine having to deal with that.

Chrome is a solid team that I believe will work their way out of the AA, and compete in the A.

Black’s coaches do a great job. They get the absolute most out of every player on their team.

Everyone knows White has great players. But they have great coaches also. Those kids love their coaches and play hard for them.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2018, 10:05:24 am »
So.... Im going to give my two cents on this whole conversation. With us at Glenpool we do it the same as every other team. So last year when I decided to help coach 3rd grade again. There was two second grade teams and there was going to be plenty of kids for two third grade teams. Both Coaches decided to keep there same teams and draft the rest of the kids out. We usually always do the draft before we get in the room so there is no confusion. I 100% agree that kids dont want to play on teams that go 0-9 and cant score. Example last year the Glenpool white squad went 1-8 and started the season with 17 kids, at the end of the season they were down to 11 kids and did not participate in the post season tournament. Also they had only 6 kids come back this year. I think a big factor in 11 man football is coaching. You have to understand what kind of kids you have and what kind of talent you have. I cant just say as a coach I want to run spread throw the ball and air it out, if I dont have the kids for it. You see that alot in these grades coaches trying to do to much when they dont have the kids for it. Play to the strength of your kids. That means all your kids! For example I got my little Rb from Glenpool White that is a absolute stud and is a real difference maker to our team, as he was in the game vs Bixby Red. I got some other great kids from that team. I take coaching kids very serious because it shapes them for the future like it did for me when I played little league ball. My coaches were always prepared and always had a good practice for us. I do agree that a kid can be absolutely average or even bad. And then hit puberty and be a absolute stud. I do think if you have 2 teams and talent level is pretty drastic for some kids compared to others that you should have a Single A team and a Double A team. Id Prefer that Double A is only teams with 3 loses in the A division, New teams,teams with 6 or less wins in the double A division, and schools 3A or less. To really set it up to be a complete AA division. I think its great for teams to play in AA in be successful it really helps those kids out.  I would just say when it comes to the Ba teams the coaches just did a better job drafting then others. Also I think the BA Black Head coach is the best in this grade at coaching those kids. He wins with whatever talent he has. Also Norman is 2 different schools. Example of great coaching and a successful year was the Jenks Maroon squad that had a good run in the playoffs and had every single kid come back the next year. Thats what we need in football.
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Re: Competitve Balance per Team per Town?
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2018, 10:12:41 am »
How do they go away with ba gold who had a little run in the post season tourney to not even having ba gold this year and has BA chrome in AA
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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2018, 10:15:00 am »
^^ Good Point Junebug

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2018, 10:20:09 am »
How do they go away with ba gold who had a little run in the post season tourney to not even having ba gold this year and has BA chrome in AA
BA Gold only had 4 kids that wanted to return back to that team. The rest of the team either didn’t want to play football anymore or wanted to be put back into the draft. Chad wants coaches who’s players want to return back to their same team. So he disolved that team and put all those players back into the draft. BA Chrome came in with no protects and they got the first rounds  of picks till they got to the team with the second lowest number of kids which was Silver then they picked.... so on and so on. Chad asked the Coach of Chrome that join our grade and pick up a team. I can only guess that the coach requested to be put in AA since he didn’t know what he really had.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2018, 10:21:43 am »
So the Ba gold coach is not coaching, his kid went to Ba Black. So they put all those kids back in the draft, obviously some of those kids were saves that went to other BA teams first. Thats why they made a new team in Ba Chrome and glad they went to AA
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2018, 10:22:33 am »
🤔🤔🤔🤔 and golds best player somehow ended up on ba black which I could careless honestly but thought it was a little fishy
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2018, 10:26:01 am »
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