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« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2016, 10:32:03 am »
Amen! Brother.  Any and all teams playing BA Silver just know I break down film thoroughly and will catch everything including not lining up properly and will be having Umpires correcting.  That includes when teams such as ourselves just aren't lined up correctly as a mistake.

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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2016, 10:39:24 am »
I really don't think that the alignment distance is concrete. Just the set (Split back & I). I don't know that the distance matters as much as the formation itself. Did the Director of Officials clarify that?

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2016, 10:40:57 am »
Absolutely!  It is even in the rule book NO EXCEPTIONS!

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2016, 10:44:24 am »
This league was organized to teach fundamentals.  They are not going to let us competitive coaches fudge for our benefits.  Now if a kid just lines up wrong then it is our jobs to stop and line them up properly.  Next year is when you can get it on, but this year all teams must comply. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2016, 10:44:48 am »
Yea I think the NO EXCEPTIONS is meant for the Formation. Meaning no Strong I, Wishbone, Flexbone, Weak I type stuff. I don't think it is intended for an exact distance in between the backs and QB laterally or distance from the line. I think the diagram show a minimum.  They are not exact foot placements. We had this discussion on the same thing defensively and the Director confirmed you can play you defensive guys back as far as you choose.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 10:52:05 am »
Correct.  You can play your tale backs as far back as you want to just not forward same as lb safeties and corners.  If some of you coaches aren't complying please make corrections now because rule books aren't for interpretation and if you play us now or in playoffs our team will make sure rules are followed to the T.  My best player ways 71lbs doesn't mean I can let him run the ball.  If he is over he is over. 

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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 10:57:00 am »
Nope I agree but, the thing is we are not the ones who determine what an interpretation is. I would clarify with the ones making the decision before making the assumption.

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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 11:06:12 am »
It is black and white in the rule book.  That is why all coaches carry or should carry their Book with them to show the Ref.  The Ref is there to enforce rules in book.  Now you are correct on assumptions that every once in a while even in PeeWee sports you can get some home cooking.  If the Ref lets teams get away with wrong alignments then shame on them.  I'm just saying have your kids prepared the correct way just in case the Refs do enforce alignment rules.
Example:  I have all kinds of plays I could put in if alignments can be altered.  Take Bixby Red they run a double reverse it will not have near the effect if made to line up correctly.  If refs allow them to spread over tackles that is a huge disadvantage to defense and not league intentions.

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« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2016, 11:12:18 am »
I personally have seen games stopped cause Running backs were lined up outside the Guards there is no interpretation on that rule. It really depends on if the referee knows that rule or if the other coach tells them about it. The reason you see so many get away with it is because a lot of the refs at MM level are still learning. That is where the Coaches have to step in and let them know before games or as you see a violation.
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« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2016, 11:26:07 am »
That is my point tho. You are 8n fact making an assumption because you have not clarified that. Some people think that just because it says in the Rulebook that you cannot have your corners any further back than 3 yds when in fact that is not the case. So although I do understand where you are coming from I would get confirmation on your understanding of it. If you are correct then great. However I do not know that is the way it is intended to be viewed. I am one of those Coaches that carry around a rulebook and have it downloaded on my phone. It is obviously open to interpretation as that is exactly what is going on here and what went on with my own personal question on the defensive side.

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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2016, 12:08:35 pm »
Page 45, Section 8 Offense, points 5-8.
5. Quarterback can start in the shotgun formation directly
behind the center NO FARTHER THAN two yards back from
the ball.
6. Must have two backs in the backfield that line up AT LEAST two yards deep from the line of scrimmage. (Not
counting the quarterback).
7. Backs MUST line up behind the GUARDS in the split
formation.
8. Backs MUST line up behind the CENTER in the I formation,
no offset I formations.

Always have the rules handy! Like stated earlier, NEXT year will be an entire new ball game. But in MM, we're all subject to lining up in 1 of the 4 possible formations.  We're all in agreement the rules could be worded a little better,  but I think the main point is we're trying to instill in these kids the basic fundamentals of football, which is why they have limitations on what you can and can not do.
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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2016, 12:38:25 pm »
My point. It doesn't say directly behind the guards so if they line up in the split between guards and tackles it is in fact a debate able question. Be curious to see what the Director Of Officials actually says. Doesn't affect us in the slightest but, as I said it has my attention.

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« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2016, 12:51:37 pm »
Where it says "backs must line up behind the guards in the split formation" I guess I interpreted it just like it states. They line up BEHIND the guard, not the gap between the guard and end. I figured if that was the case, they would have worded it behind the guard OR in between the guard and end. But it clearly doesnt read that way to me. I could be wrong, but I read it just like its worded.

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« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2016, 12:53:28 pm »
Reading was never one of my better subjects, however!

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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2016, 01:01:32 pm »
Well that is a good thing that you can admit that. As I said I would get clarification on it from the Director of Officials because I highly doubt that it is going to be rectified if not. I have yet to see a ref call anyone on their splits. They would be stopping every other play.