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Re: Refs
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2016, 06:06:54 pm »
Shaffer is correct you can play your LB and Corners as far back as you want.  I talked to Brad Westmoreland to confirm it.  The rule book diagram is wrong it should show arrows allowing you to back them up to agree with the text that states minimum. He said he would notify the refs before the season started.  I'll check and make sure he did or does.

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Re: Refs
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2016, 06:51:15 pm »
Thank you Coach!

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Re: Refs
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2016, 08:14:51 pm »
Coach4fun you and Shaffer and I guess the MM Director are all WRONG!  By your logic I could play two LB and drop them both to Safety.  Technically have three Safeties.  WRONG!!!

1.   The Safety must line up no closer than 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and can move laterally.
2.   Cornerbacks must be no closer than 3 yards from an Offensive End and must be set and positioned 3 yards back from the line of scrimmage.
3.   Must have 3 or 4 Defensive lineman.
A.   Defensive Guards must line head up with the Offensive Guard, not in the gaps ,and must begin play in a down position.
B.   Defensive Ends must line head up or on the outside shoulder of the Offensive End.
C.   A two striper must play on the line in a down position.
4.   All linemen must line up in a down position.
5.   May have one or two Linebackers that must line up 3 yards back from the line of scrimmage, can move laterally between the center and the end. If there are two linebackers they must line up on opposite sides of the ball.
6.   No more than (2) two stripers are allowed on the field from each team at one time.
7.   The Offensive Center is protected; a defensive player must go to the left or right of the Center.
8.   The defense is frozen and no adjustments are allowed once the offensive line is set.
9.   Inside the 5 yard line the defense is allowed to move the Linebacker(s) and Corner Backs to within one yard from the line of scrimmage. The middle linebacker can line up over the Center but is not allowed head on contact with the Center. The Safety can move to within 3 yards from the line of scrimmage.
10.   The Center is always protected.
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Re: Refs
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2016, 08:19:50 pm »
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Re: Refs
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2016, 08:31:23 pm »
Again the Rulebook is for the "MINIMUM". Coach you are reaching. You are the one who cannot understand. You even highlighted the fact. It does not say that you cannot move back. Only forward. Enjoy your win today. Congrats.
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Re: Refs
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 08:38:24 pm »
I was told very clearly what you like to do and I understand very clearly that this rule affects that but, you cannot go against yrs of what has already been set as a precedent for Infc. You are the ones trying to make up the rules. Good luck with that.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2016, 08:58:06 pm »
What we like to do lol Heck I don't even know what we like to do.  Listen I have never seen your team play but obviously you or friends of yours are doing it incorrectly and for the honor of the sport of MM just play correctly.  Just think for a minute of what you are saying.  We are up 12-6 one last play for Bixby.  You are telling me I could have played two LBs, a safety and two corners 20 yards back for prevent?  If so get me clarification on this please I may need that against TYAA for all 4 quarters. 

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Re: Refs
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2016, 09:28:34 pm »
Lol sir you have done nothing but try to kick up stuff since you guys got in here. Enjoy your win. I understand that you got film on Bixby Red and were able to make their QB stand no deeper than 2 yds back but, I can assure you that on the defensive side there is no maximum depth. As a matter of fact if you are trying to play to a literal sense of the words it also does not say that "you cannot run 2 Safeties" which would indicate not what you wish. It does not say that you cannot. The depth  of the rule is to keep teams from stacking the line.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2016, 11:08:22 pm »
LoL! All this after my compliment to the refs? This will all be ironed out on Monday but I ask this, if I elect to have 3 D-lineman and 2 LB's, are you saying Shaffer, I can drop both of those LB's back and have 3 safeties? As well as the corners? I'm just asking here. I'm also not sure what you mean by what we clearly like to do. Play by the rules? Yes, we watched film like most teams do whether they admit it or not and we were able to make them line the qb up at 2 yards because that is the rule. It wasn't even a debate with the refs. They already knew it and was never an issue. We didn't even make it an issue when they backed him up further in the 4rth qtr nor did the refs. We won a great game against a great team and played within the rules is all that happened. I'll be happy to give you the game film so you can see for yourself what we so clearly love to do coach. Truth be known, we weren't able to get into our playbook. That is due to the team we were up against and the tough defense they had. We were using what was working. Like another excellent coach in the league said. If you don't like it, stop it. That Bixby team is very tough but don't think for a second we  are one dimensional. Big mistake. We have a many more plays in the arsenal the kids can run and many more we've yet to teach. Great job on your big win today coach. You have a great team indeed

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Re: Refs
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2016, 11:24:44 pm »
No not all lol. I will tell you this ONE MORE TIME...... THERE US NO MAXIMUM DEPTH TO WHICH YOU CAN AY YOUR 2-CB'S OR 2 LB'S/SAFTIES.  Virtually every Coach knows that and I am sorry that you don't after you admitted that you were wrong and then allowed this other guy to tell you that you were right again. I just had a buddy who watched you guys and you can make of that what you will. I did not ask him too but, he had a vested interest in doing so.

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Re: Refs
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2016, 11:32:34 pm »
Explain to me how IF I decided to take my CB'S & LB'S  and place them 20 yds back that it would affect the team I am playing in a negative way?

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Re: Refs
« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2016, 11:52:58 pm »
And yes the deeper you want to play your kids the better to me or actually Idc. The fact is now you are trying to override the guys that override. Good luck.
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Re: Refs
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2016, 11:05:26 am »
I didn't say that's what I would do. I was just asking. Remember, we are new to this. I'm just so confused right now I don't know what to think so I'm going to check it out Monday. Nobody is trying to override anyone. Silver plays by the rules and we will make sure anyone we play does the same. I started this thread to commend the refs at our game and for others to do the same. I will find out about all the other bs  on Monday so I will know because I need to learn. I enjoyed out win yesterday. That is over and in the past. I'm working on next weeks game. 

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Re: Refs
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2016, 04:15:56 pm »
I understand. Not a problem there. I am just saying we have already investigated the issue because we have been playing. So to be told that "we are wrong" if you truly don't kinda makes no sense to me. Oh well tho I got ya. Best of Luck next week and congrats on a big win.

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Re: Refs
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2016, 08:52:31 pm »
Ok I know I may sound naggy BUT the refs really need to make calls that are necessary. Bville blue played claremore red and both teams fought very hard. Some calls were made and some calls should have been made. There were a total of 3 flags thrown 1 for false start the center moved ball before play started. 1 flag for tight end jumping the snap and one for defensive lineman jumping the snap. All those were necessary no argument there. Now for the calls that should have been made. 1. Claremore defensive linemen lining up with heads well past the ball on offensive side of the line. Almost every down they would line up like that. 2. Outside line backers are supposed to be three yards behind the linemen or the line of scrimmage not a hundred percent sure but regardless they (claremore) would have their linebackers jump up to right behind the linemen before the ball was snapped. 3. Bville blue qb #14 took a very cheap shot to the back when the ball was 15 to 29 yards down the field and ref was notified of the blocking in the back and shrugged his shoulders. I know bville still came out with the win but the td claremore did get shouldn't have happened due to their own line ayers lining up offsides half their bodies in front of the ball. I know the refs can only do so much.