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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2016, 09:08:54 pm »
For anyone getting ready to play Edmond watch out for o line (especially pulling guards and tackles) leaving before ball is snapped. Refs would not call anything on them today. The o line tackles dive into d end knees also. (Hurt both of my d ends doing so today).  Not making excuses for our loss. Just wanna keep kids safe and give others heads up.

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2016, 11:27:04 pm »
Coach I would have to agree. I am not a fan of the cut block at all at the MM level solely because most kids do not execute them correctly or the Coaches do not teach them correctly. Very dangerous to me most of the time.
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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2016, 12:07:24 am »
Me either. Very dangerous. they're a good football team and I'm not trying to take from that..I just want other teams to be aware of the cut blocking (witch I believe they play south Tulsa next.) offensive tackles and guards will cut block every time they sweep to that side. I finally told my d ends to step back and stay away from it...not worth getting one seriously hurt.

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2016, 12:26:25 am »
Never a babies knees..............we got thunished by Bixby d ends and that never crossed my brain...............we will bang straight up...........win straight up............or lose straight up..............shoooooot JoJo.............cut my babies knees.............We jumping on backs wit a Macho Man Randy Savage elbow...............or a knee drop...........or with both feet Bruce Lee style............hope all sees this who cut block.............please be aware that we will defend our selves............for real.............
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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2016, 12:38:40 am »
 The cut block is just not a good thing in MM. We will obviously not see a change this year but, going forward it just isn't a good idea for kids this age to perform them. If they were executed properly I would have no problem but, my experience has been that they are usually not.
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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2016, 03:51:37 am »
Lol Shaffer5. There not changing any rules for you! Cut blocks can be dangerous if done incorrectly. All refs should call chop blocks if done incorrectly. But it's part of the game it's a huge advantage if you have kids that weight 50 lbs going against 100. You really want them to block straight up! But Again has to be 1 on 1 in the free blocking zone,with the ball still in the zone and both players have to be on the line of scrimmage for it to be legal. So take ur de and put him 1 yard back problem solved! Hats of to Edmond for teaching football. Pulling guards and tackles in second grade nice!
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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2016, 08:31:35 am »
Lol never said they were changing rules for me. They made it this yr to where it has to be immediately at the snap of the ball. I agree it is a part of the game but, my experience is that it is not usually excuted properly at this age and it is hard to tell if a kid is being told to cut block or purposely go for a kids knees. It is what it is. The scores and standings are not kept in MM and there are some who call 11 man "real football" so I just personally think that the cut should not be allowed until 3rd grade. A cut block that ends at the thigh pad level is GREAT. However I just haven't seen alot that actually end there at this age.

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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2016, 08:32:48 am »
And I agree pulling guards and tackles at this age is great coaching.

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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2016, 09:33:01 am »
Messing wit us gone get a babies back snapped..........bless all the babies who come for our knees...............
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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2016, 10:07:05 am »
Gorillagold, your team is the best I've played yet...I'm with you I'll teach them to bang straight up and only that. My d ends are tuff kids and hard to stop. I also agree pulling guard and tackle is great coaching..I use it also. My team is probably one of the smallest in the league but I won't teach cut blocks. I also said previously I'm not trying to take anything away from Edmond..they're very well coached and played hard. I was simply giving a friendly heads up to others to watch out for the kids knees. Any one who has played me knows I care about their kids safety as much as I do my own. 


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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2016, 11:01:37 am »
Absolutely

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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2016, 01:36:05 pm »
I think there are scenarios where these types of blocks make sense.  Like was mentioned earlier, if you have a very small player going against someone twice his size, he can either shoot low or get knocked on his back play after play.  I don't think a big aggressive kid should be doing a cut block at this age, but a smaller guy who is just trying to make it competitive should do anything that is allowed in the rules to not get blown up every play.  I have no problem with this and in fact would say that this is safer for the kids than a kid who is twice the size of another just driving him on his back every play.  With a smaller/less aggressive kid, I don't think there is much chance of him causing injury if he is going low on a person directly in front of him.  The problems you get is when someone does a block like that on a defender who is not head up, but that doesn't happen at this age and would be an illegal chop block 90% of the time anyway. 

I like the 8 man format at this age, but this is one of the problems.  Smaller kids who can't be running backs because of athletic ability are forced to play on the line versus out at receiver.  They better do what ever they can legally do to keep from getting hurt.  Again, I think for some players this keeps them more safe.  Would you rather a 50# player get knocked onto the back of his head by a 100# player over and over??  I wouldn't. 

Again, I don't think its necessary for a big or aggressive kid to do a cut block.  And, its not necessary for a small guy to do it against another small guy.  I'm just saying situations where its a big mismatch. 

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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2016, 03:03:38 pm »
I possibly would have agreed with you until this weekend. Biggest kid on my team is about 80lbs with pads (1st grader). But after 3 kids hurt on the sidelines this weekend I don't feel it's ok at mm level at all. I've coached in infc on and off over the years and the Tulsa area teams play straight up football...no matter the size of kids. That's one thing I've always loved about infc football..extremely competitive and great coaching. (I also have a 13 year old that came up in owasso program). I've played a couple team this year with 2nd graders as big as 113lbs and never once crossed my mind to have my kids go at another's knees.  We Will bang straight at you and if we get put on our backs will get up and try again.

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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2016, 05:38:04 pm »
Yea the "Cut Block" if performed correctly is fine. My problem is that it is not 90% of the time at this age. You can't get into who can and who can't tho. Although I understand and agree with alot of your point on it. I agree it is very doubtful that it will be changed at all but, at the very least I would like to see it policed harder. I understand there are alot of times where it is necessary and that the majority of the time it results in no injury. My concern is when it does result in an injury or when a kid is possibly Coached to do it to injure another kid. It is what it is tho. Our kids are coached in what to do no matter the circumstances and we will play by whatever rules are in front of us. Good luck to all.

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Re: POST EM: WEEK 4 SCORES
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2016, 01:38:37 pm »
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