Author Topic: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019  (Read 1177 times)

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HoneyBadger1

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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2019, 09:33:14 pm »
It was 2 players on the 1 Sequoyah player. Look like anger just boiled over. Iím not even sure what grade this is they look really small but has to be 3rd grade are up since itís 11 man. The smaller kid probably did the most damage by grabbing the Sequoyah kid putting him in head lock and pulling him to ground.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2019, 09:38:53 pm »
Thank you sir.

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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2019, 09:46:50 pm »
I do not have the film in my possession but i can ask that it be sent to you personally should they choose to do that and I'm not speaking for the sequoyah team, i am a fan and i was there and i have a friend of a friend who is close to the situation. I believe only the HC, the parent that took the film and the infc have the video at this time. i was there for another grade and happened to witness the fight and as a lot of us do we do have access to the game film we pay to have taken. But i do stand firm on players safety. Rules are in place and i know in football kids get hurt but a boxing match shouldn't be one of the ways.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2019, 10:42:44 am »
I appreciate the respectful manner in which you are having this discussion. I love kids and I don't want to see any kids get hurt so, I 100% agree with you on that level. We just disagree on how this came to be. The coaches of our 4th grade team are high character guys. They have been coaching for quite some time. I coach the 5th grade team so, I was waiting on the sidelines as the game came to a close. I however was waiting for the signal from the refs to bring my team captains out onto the field for the coin toss. The refs and the majority of the coaches/players were headed towards the 50 for the handshake at the time the commotion broke out which is why I am clearly intrigued at the video. I don't recall what the last offensive play was but, I assume it did not move the ball far from the line of scrimmage for anything to have been picked up on film. Again the refs stance were they did not witness enough to warrant a suspension.  All they can go off of is what they seen. If something else should come out of this then so be it.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2019, 06:13:03 pm »
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2019, 11:07:05 pm »
I assume thereís more too it than that?  Obviously there are fouls there, but thatís nothing like what has been described on here.   
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2019, 08:04:14 am »
Watch around the 20 yard line, not the play itself.

A hilldale player pushes a Sequoyah player then grabs his facemask and starts throwing punches. The film goes to the scoreboard before you see the end of the "incident"
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2019, 08:28:42 am »
Yes thats the incident.

And yes there are fouls there. However, the game between 34 and the HD players was chippy all day. Looks like it boiled over and this was the result. It was handled immediately and between the refs and kids. All the players went to the 50 and shook hands. Game over. Time to move on.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2019, 09:08:36 pm »
I have been involved with the INFC and CYFA for a good 13 plus years, I have lost count because the days are long but the years fly by! I can honestly say I have NEVER witnessed an incident like this. When I say incident I am referring to the fact that the refs in this game DID NOT DO what they said they would do and that is record and report and file the fight aka "the incident" at the end of the game AFTER they witnessed it, commented on how the Sequoyah player got worked over, wrote down the players numbers and said it was recorded and would be reported. IT IS THEIR JOB to do that very thing and the whole issue is the principal that there has been zero integrity here on their part. I am not getting into players numbers and specifics because I am not falling into that trap here and I WILL NOT play the blame game on players and coaches and parents. Anyone who doesn't see an issue with the clip of the start of the fight, that is your opinion and your right, but that is NOT how football is played and that is NOT OK. It is not also ok that parents have to now get every single thing on film in order for it to even withstand a chance to be corrected. As mother to 3 boys that have played for and one still plays for CYFA and INFC I am absolutely disgusted with this entire situation. Myself and my husband, who is a youth football coach and has been for 13 years, try and teach not only our boys, but the boys he coaches how to play football, how to be young men of their word, honest, have integrity, how to be a team mate on and off the field, how to handle certain situations that may happen..and when the rules are broken and there are ZERO consequences and adults do not uphold their word..well it is disappointing, it is disgusting and chalking it up to "well it wasn't that bad" are you KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? That may be how some of you all want to raise your children and players and teach them, but that is NOT how we do things and when people let things go and do not follow the rules and do not stand by their word when it is their job you bet some people will take the necessary steps to ensure there are consequences because these young men are watching. We did not get on tape the entire incident but what is recorded is enough, if you put it in slow motion you will be pretty disgusted and the fact that the refs acknowledged it to Sequoyah's HC and stated they would record and report it then didn't and from the looks of it lied about it..No not cool people. My faith in INFC as well as my patience is wearing thin, Football is hard nosed, hard played, hard fought and an emotional game..I understand this ALL TO WELL. However, things like this should not be something we should have to be concerned about or worried about. Sometimes these things unfortunately happen where players or coaches get emotional and heated but they should be held to consequences and the Refs of all people should be too and they should do their jobs and be men /women of integrity and their word. That is the principal here. In 13 years i have NEVER commented or even made a screen name but at this point it appears a blind eye may be fallen onto this and my thing is, how do we explain this to our kids? We all fall short but rules are in place to enforce when we do and the consequences should be paid. Come on people..see the issue for what it is. We shouldn't have to worry about this. On that note good luck to all teams!
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2019, 09:18:59 pm »
Yes thats the incident.

And yes there are fouls there. However, the game between 34 and the HD players was chippy all day. Looks like it boiled over and this was the result. It was handled immediately and between the refs and kids. All the players went to the 50 and shook hands. Game over. Time to move on.

I would like you to tell me clip numbers of where 34 was being chippy on film and what that even means because from what we have seen 34 is just doing his job very well at executing all within the rules of football..if i have missed something, I would love to see it. Just because someone is getting beat on the field and blocked all within rules doesn't give them the right to start pushing and punching and then take them to the ground punching and kicking another player because that is exactly what happened. 34 even walked away after the first push ..... that was to be the game over but it went beyond. None of this would have even come up on this forum had a thread not been started about what a good job the refs did because that is pure hogwash! We will move on when a decision has been made and explanations by INFC are given as to why something has or has not been done. It is all about integrity at this point and the refs not doing what they said they would do which is their job. For the record before I get some snarky comment no 34 is not my son.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2019, 07:04:12 am »
I have no dog in the fight, but having been in this same position before looking for some form of retribution or ruling that serves as justice. You wonít like hearing this, but I would be willing to bet a weeks pay you wonít hear anything at all if you havenít heard it yet.

Best thing you can do is coach up your players to know how to react and to be able to process what happened. It may not seem fair but thatís about it.

If they do come down with some sort of ruling then Iíll be surprised. Good luck

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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #41 on: October 11, 2019, 08:38:08 am »
I am sure you are correct as to the ruling but the answer being seeked out is where do we go from here to correct this very flawed system to handle these types of incidents? It is near impossible to get everything on film or crystal clear film from phones or even these film services teams hire and you cannot ensure you will have refs or coaches or fans of integrity there to do what is right or fair or just simply following protocol. The principal is now the system is flawed and broken and it needs to be addressed.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #42 on: October 11, 2019, 08:50:40 am »
Good luck with that. I don't believe the system is nearly as flawed as what you are claiming. That is the first time I have ever seen the incident personally. The rule has always been continuous film and this is not something that was recently implemented. There is a reason for this being required and it makes perfect sense to me.The refs stance at the end of the game was they did not see the start of the incident but, did obviously catch the aftermath. As a coach I have always been told that I cannot tell a ref what they seen or did not see. I don't think anyone said how bad the issue was or was not. I think the point Zebra had was that he expected more based on the way it was described prior to seeing the video.
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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #43 on: October 11, 2019, 10:52:17 am »
Good luck with that. I don't believe the system is nearly as flawed as what you are claiming. That is the first time I have ever seen the incident personally. The rule has always been continuous film and this is not something that was recently implemented. There is a reason for this being required and it makes perfect sense to me.The refs stance at the end of the game was they did not see the start of the incident but, did obviously catch the aftermath. As a coach I have always been told that I cannot tell a ref what they seen or did not see. I don't think anyone said how bad the issue was or was not. I think the point Zebra had was that he expected more based on the way it was described prior to seeing the video.

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Re: Refs at Hilldale 09/28/2019
« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2019, 06:04:28 pm »
Congratulations you are the 44th person to comment on this post! Silence does not mean that they are not doing their jobs. As for the Director of Officials I do not think that INFC could have a better person in that position personally.  I think it is awesome that you have decided to comment with your thoughts. All "chippiness" aside though this issue has been handled and it is now done as far as I am concerned.
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