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Coach Martin

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Officials game assignments?
« on: October 14, 2017, 10:35:37 pm »
First off, the officials did a great job in our game at Hilldale today.  This post is NOT a complaint against our crew today.

How are officials assigned games?  It appeared that one of the officials had a son playing in the game he was officiating today in Hilldale.  I would think this would be a potential conflict of interest. 

This particular official did a great job and I never felt he was being biased.  He did much better than I could have if I was put in that position. 

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2017, 10:51:07 pm »
I agree totally this is a conflict of interest and it will not happen again.  I also agree that he has done excellent this year (especially for a 1st year official) and I have heard nothing but good things about him.  I will take responsibility for this one, Mis-communication on my part. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2017, 10:54:04 pm »
Thank you for the response.  He was a true professional today!

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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2017, 11:49:51 pm »
I’m not sure why a ref would need to come up to me at halftime of a game and tell me that the infc has been on his case about not making enough calls. But this Ref was on the opposite side of the field and threw a flag on our team every time a big play happen. I did not ask to speak to the ref he came to me at half and explained why he was throwing so many flags. But him or the other two ref didn’t call one penalty on the other team in first half. 2nd half only called the penalty because it happened right in front of them and they couldn’t act like it didn’t. 4th quarter 45 second left the one ref throws a flag on a punt that was returned for a td, that would have ended the game. He said it was a block in back we have viewed the tape in many different angles and it was no block in the back and not sure why he would even thought block in the back. I don’t mind taking the lost cause our boys need it, but the way that game was ref is not good for the game. It was clear that we was walking into a no win situation. Never complained about refs but this was ridiculous the ref on our sideline stated he couldn’t call a penalty on the RB who was moving before snap cause it’s not his call.

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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2017, 11:55:49 pm »
Honeybadger,

Let me know what game location, time, grade and I will check with the officials.  No one has told the officials to start throwing more flags.  If you have the film please share it with the Hudl INFC Commissioner's account I will review.  my hudl account is bkelleyok@gmail.com 

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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2017, 07:27:00 pm »
 Coach Martin, I don't know what grade or game your referring to this weekend in Hilldale, but I can personal attest to the officiating being horrendous. That ref you are referring to about having a kid on the 6th grade team should have not been there. First off he doesn't know the rules. He told me that I could not be on the field coaching my kids during an officials timeout but to only give them water, when the Hilldale coach was clearly out there coaching his kids up. I brought this to his attention and he told me "you're on my sideline".  I had to yell for the other refs and they corrected this same official. Second, I was told i was using an illegal ball. I knew the rule on the equipment and showed them on my phone to prove them wrong. After this you think we got a fair call ???? NO..... Three kids in the Emergency Room for concussions and another with a fractured leg. Several more with bruises on their lower backs from face masks hitting them while they were down or going down.  And if you think i'm making this up i have the video to back all this up and YES it will be sent into the INFC.
  I personally am for the refs but this Saturday was an absolute joke.  I have film of blatant helmet to helmet hits, late hits and helmets driven into the backs of my players when they are already on the ground.  Now i'm all for physical football but this was straight dirty football and an embarrassment to this sport and league.
 Your own hospital told us that 6 kids had came to the ER privious to us for concussion symptoms. Not saying all were done intentional but DAMN.... I've never heard of this in all my years.  CLEAN IT UP HILLDALE.
 You bet your butt i'm fired up and i wont stop until this is fixed. Sad when three diffent teams came to me warning me of this type of play. Time to step in INFC and fix these issues.

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« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2017, 07:31:06 pm »
When we are winning 14-6 and we discuss leaving and taking a forfeit that should probably say something. 

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« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2017, 08:13:00 pm »
When we are winning 14-6 and we discuss leaving and taking a forfeit that should probably say something.



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« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2017, 08:18:37 pm »
As I said Saturday I will say again. It is very sad that this kind of talk would taint such a wonderful game and effort that both clubs teams put on. Both groups of boys went on the field and went to war. It was an amazing game! I really hate to see it come to this but, I see that you neglect to mention anything about Hill dale having boys get injured or mention anything about the chop blocks that occurred. I thought the official crew showed great restraint in not removing anyone from the field during the fiasco that took place during that game. The 5th grade team is a very physical football team but, I can assure you that their coaches are stand up guys and there is nothing "dirty" about the way they teach those boys to play. One of your own fans virtually admitted that this game was the toughest anyone had played you guys and that this was a rather surprising season after not having much success the previous years. They admitted that agreeing that it may have had something to with some of the reactions to the game. You guys have a great group of kids that won a very hard fought game. Send your film in and let the chips fall where they may.  No need to make false accusations about a good ref. All refs make mistakes and if he did and was corrected then it is clear that the other refs were doing their jobs. I mean all the proof is on video, right?  If Saturday was any indication I would expect a rematch in the playoffs. Best of luck to you guys the rest of the season. Prayers for any boys that are injured. You guys have a great team.
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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2017, 09:02:13 pm »
Funny that during the meeting in the middle of the field a Hilldale coach said something about chop blocks (That meeting was called by Chad Lott) .  I would encourage him or whoever to educate themselves on the difference. My kid performed what is called a cut block where he dives in front of the player, NOT at his legs. The block he was referring to is where a player is engaged high and another goes low. That block creates injuries. I'm not ok with that.   
I said it that day and i'll say it again. Hilldale is a great football team. Clean up the late hits and the leading with the helmets and you guy would be a solid contender for any championship.  My issues were the no calls from refs to correct this type of behavior. It's going to get a kid seriously hurt and i fear it will be the kid leading with the helmet.

As to the injuries that occurred to any Hilldale player i will keep them in my prayers because i wish no kid to be hurt. 

And you can't deny there isn't issues because i'm not the only team that has voiced concern.  Talk to others that Hilldale has played. I'll quote one " Not in 16 years of me coaching in this league have i ever seen the helmet to helmet contact so bad"  That was referring to Hilldale.


I'm not attacking the kids and i'm not going to sit here and call each of them out. But the fairness was a little one sided Saturday.
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2017, 09:54:44 pm »
I can assure you coach that I know the difference between a cut block and a chop block. I personally am not a fan of either because I feel like cut blocks are either not properly taught or properly executed at the youth level and most end at the knees. I was unaware of any kid leaving the game with a leg fracture Saturday as well.  I am not a part of the coaching staff for our 5th grade team. Our club appreciates the prayers for our boys and reciprocate the same for your boys. We never wish to see any of these little guys injured either. When talking to our local hospital workers did they happen to let you know where these concussion victims came from? Being that Hilldale is in Muskogee the kids may have very well came from Ft Gibson or Muskogee games as well. Not to mention there is a league here separate from INFC. In any instance I would like to reiterate that we wish you guys the best of luck going forward and hope that we can all move on from this situation. I feel very strongly that these 2 teams will see each other again come playoff time.

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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 11:32:46 pm »
CEFHEL. 

Since you asked, I’m a coach for the 6th grade Berryhill team, we played in the game after yours.  After your game and watching the heated exchanges between fans, coaches and refs, I was a little worried we might have problems with the officials, especially knowing one of them had a son playing for Hilldales 6th grade team. 

I had no reason to worry, the officials were very professional and called a great game.  They even flagged a player of mine for targeting, it was the correct call.   They did a great job of controlling the game and they communicated very well with the coaches.  I’m sorry for the experience you had in your game, it was 100% different for us. 

Officials are human, they make mistakes and maybe they blew a few calls.  However, I have to stand up for this crew. I watched a large portion of your game and most of the second half I watched from your sidelines.  What I saw was an extremely physical football game with 2 very passionate teams playing.  I also saw and heard things from parents in your stands that I would not tolerate from my parents.  It’s very emotional when players get hurt, especially for the parents. Some of your parents were out of control with things they were saying to the officials.  I didn’t see every hit or physical play, however, I did witness one of the plays that injured a player.  In my opinion, it was a perfectly legal and very hard hit.  No flag was thrown because it was a legal hit.  Your parents went nuts, they were yelling some very inappropriate things to the officials. 

I will say this, the only thing I saw in your game that truly bothered me was...  you had a injured player come out of the game.  He took his pads off and watched the rest of the game from the sidelines.  When the game went into overtime and you needed yards to win the game.  One of the coaches gave him his pads back, he redressed and went out on the field and got you the win. 

I really hope he wasn’t one of the players you suspected was seriously injured. 

Were the refs bad in your game??  Maybe
Let’s not loose sight of the part coaches and parents played in this debacle of a football game.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 10:29:54 pm »
Coach Martin,  it looks like when you call out someone for dedressing an injured player, they took their ball and went home to hide. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2017, 11:25:38 pm »

Shaffer5 I appreciate your conversation. The kiddos are doing better. 

Coach Martin as much as I hate It you are correct about the coaches and parents.  That was corrected. But I disagree about the hits. We will leave it at that. Good luck the remainder of your season.
 I was asked to stop replying about the officials and I will respect that request. INFC has reviewed the issues and addressed it to my satasfaction. I addressed the refs with an apology on behalf of myself  because I'm a big boy and it's the right thing to do.  My goal here was to save kids from future injuries. 
As to the kid with his pads off that was his choice. He was told if he didn't want to continue to pull his pads off. If he did put them on. 




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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2017, 12:19:14 am »
CEFHCL

I completely understand your explanation of the events involving your player putting his pads back on. Thank you for clearing that up and I’m glad he wasn’t one of your injured players. 

Good luck to you guys the rest of the way and I have much respect for your players and their fight to win. 

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