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Clock operation for 5th grade
« on: September 16, 2017, 08:01:47 pm »
So today the officiating crew was starting the clock after time outs were over and before the snap of the ball and after a change of possession by means of kickoff. Are we not under high school clock rules unless there is a mercy rule in effect?


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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2017, 09:33:46 pm »
Starting after times outs is just wrong on all levels. INFC goes by sub varisty timing rules. So if the ball is caught inbounds on kickoff. It starts on the ready to play. On change of pos rather then incomplete pass or ball running out of bounds it starts on the ready for play. On out bounds play or incomplete pass on the snap.
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2017, 12:11:06 am »
We even had the clock not start at all with 15 seconds left. Ran the play no clock movement we pointed it out and they ran off 6 seconds!  Tie game with 15 seconds left!
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2017, 01:47:57 am »
What location and game time was this game played? 

Clock should always start on the snap after a timeout called by a team.  Injury timeouts are different, if the clock was running before the injury timeout then it would start on the ready.  We do use sub varsity rules on timing so coachemup is correct on change of possessions. 
We would start the clock if the ball was in bounds (sack, running play, return tackled in bounds)
It should start on the snap if we had an incomplete pass on 4th down or a scrimmage kick goes out of bounds or the returner runs out of bounds. 

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2017, 08:23:51 am »
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2017, 09:45:42 am »
Claremore 5th grade
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2017, 01:54:06 pm »
i wasn't aware the clock started after the timeout.  If it did i apologize for it.  I was trying to train a first year guy on how to start and stop the clock.  In the future please bring that up to my attention and i will fix it.

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2017, 02:04:09 pm »
i have a couple clock questions myself. 

First, If there is a penalty while the clock is stopped, does the clock start on the ready for play or on the snap after the penalty is enforced.  Saw a situation where a team threw an incomplete pass, so the clock was stopped.  They then had a false start, and as soon as the penalty was stepped off, they started the clock.  I thought if the penalty occurred while the clock was stopped, that the clock wasn't supposed to start till the snap.

Also, at the end of the first half, if a player is forced out of bounds, does the clock start on the ready for play, or on the snap?  This is with less than 1 minute in the second quarter.  I know it starts on the ready for play for the majority of the game, but wasn't sure if there was a certain time (i.e. under 1 minute, under 2 min) in each half or the end of game where it remained stopped until the snap.

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2017, 09:49:59 pm »
If there was an incomplete pass before a dead ball penalty then the clock would start on the snap.  So a false start after an incomplete pass the clock would start at the snap.
If it was a live ball penalty it would depend on what happened during the play in which the penalty occurred. 

Assuming your second question is not Mighty Mite because that would be different.  But when you say forced out of bounds, normally the clock would stop as long as his forward progress was not stopped first. 


We sent a memo out to the clubs today about proper clock keeping, hoping they all print that out and put in next to the clock keeper each week but officials have to know the rules to so I will go over that with them this week in our newsletter. 

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2017, 10:27:26 pm »
I just want to say, that the refs this year have been great in the infc! Yes there's some call we disagree with but at the end of the day they do there job very good! And I'm glad we have refs that look the part and do a good job. Thanks
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2017, 08:15:51 am »
If there was an incomplete pass before a dead ball penalty then the clock would start on the snap.  So a false start after an incomplete pass the clock would start at the snap.
If it was a live ball penalty it would depend on what happened during the play in which the penalty occurred. 

Assuming your second question is not Mighty Mite because that would be different.  But when you say forced out of bounds, normally the clock would stop as long as his forward progress was not stopped first. 


We sent a memo out to the clubs today about proper clock keeping, hoping they all print that out and put in next to the clock keeper each week but officials have to know the rules to so I will go over that with them this week in our newsletter.
Thanks for your responses.  It was 6th grade, so no mighty mite.  It sounds like the refs were wrong on both cases.  It was just a simple incomplete pass, no penalty or anything on the previous play, so clock was stopped.  Then a false start, and they started the clock on the ready for play.  On the out of bounds, the player was forced out while he was still moving forward after getting a first down.  There was i think 4 seconds left, and they started the clock on the ready for play, so we didn't have time to get the play off.

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2017, 08:58:00 pm »
One thing to consider is the score of the game.  If it is 28-0 the clock may start on the ready from time to time when it normally will normally start on the snap.  If the game is close then it should be ran right. So the ref may have been wrong but for the right reason.

Also being force OOB is subjective.  That official, based on angle, may have thought he was pushed sideways just before he was "force" OOB

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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2017, 11:25:56 pm »
Why at 28 would the clock operate differently?  I thought 35 was the mercy rule?
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Re: Clock operation for 5th grade
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2017, 08:34:36 am »
One thing to consider is the score of the game.  If it is 28-0 the clock may start on the ready from time to time when it normally will normally start on the snap.  If the game is close then it should be ran right. So the ref may have been wrong but for the right reason.

Also being force OOB is subjective.  That official, based on angle, may have thought he was pushed sideways just before he was "force" OOB
It was a 14-12 game (6-12 game at the time right before half when they started the clock and time ran out before our coach realized they started the clock, because he knew it was supposed to be stopped).  And on this particular play, there should have been no mistake that he was going forward.  Each step from when the runner was in bounds to when he was forced out was moving upfield.